Australian History

[Tudor chick]

There is a new topic on the American Civil War, which I don't really know a lot about because we did not do this at school here. This got me wondering.
Has anyone on the forum besides us 2 Aussie forum members learn Australian History at school? You know Captain Cook, convicts - sound familiar to anyone? If so what?
I had to put this post under general history because there is no Australian section... Why is this so Commander? We are not really part of Asia.

[Melisende]

I did a little of Australia History in Years 10 & 12.

But strangely for my end of year HSC Politics essay, we focussed on Australia History, and for HSC Australian History we focussed on Politics...

And it mainly covered Federation

[Lucius]

No, something about Captain Cook and convicts - that's all I remember from school. Oh yeah, also, Australia was on the Allied side in WWI & WWII(and gained a reputation for doughtyness). Oh yeah, also, the arrival of the Euro-types was not considered an unmixed blessing by the aboriginal folks (but that's the case planet-wide). Oh yeah, also, Canberra was a planned city like Washington DC. Oh yeah, also, Ayres Rock. That's all.

Since the advent of the internet, I have learned that the attempts at animal husbandry and agriculture met with failure until Mediterranean varieties were introduced.

That's the sum total, other than Australia's location on the map and the names and locations of five cities.

I like to think that I'm less unwell-read than most Americans. What else should I know? I'd be interested in an Aussie answer to that question.

[Comet]

No, something about Captain Cook and convicts - that's all I remember from school. Oh yeah, also, Australia was on the Allied side in WWI & WWII(and gained a reputation for doughtyness). Oh yeah, also, the arrival of the Euro-types was not considered an unmixed blessing by the aboriginal folks (but that's the case planet-wide). Oh yeah, also, Canberra was a planned city like Washington DC. Oh yeah, also, Ayres Rock. That's all.

Since the advent of the internet, I have learned that the attempts at animal husbandry and agriculture met with failure until Mediterranean varieties were introduced.

That's the sum total, other than Australia's location on the map and the names and locations of five cities.

I like to think that I'm less unwell-read than most Americans. What else should I know? I'd be interested in an Aussie answer to that question.

I'm with Lucius...I vaguely remember convicts and Captain Cook...but not a whole lot else. I also would be interested in an answer to Lucius' question :)

[southernlady]

I had to put this post under general history because there is no Australian section... Why is this so Commander? We are not really part of Asia.

Actually put this question in the Feedback area and link this article to it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Oceanian_countries
That will give y'all the area you do belong to, not Asia. Liz

[Tudor chick]

Actually put this question in the Feedback area and link this article to it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Oceanian_countries
That will give y'all the area you do belong to, not Asia. Liz

Yes I do know where we belong geographically, and many of the Oceania countries and Islands Australia has an input in running. ;)
But on this particular forum there is no Australian forum section and the point I was trying to make that we should have one as we are not part of Asia / Africa section.

[Dr Realism]

I know about Captain Cook because I used to live in Hawaii and the Hawaiians are the ones who killed him and ate him.
I know that Australia's ancestors are a bunch of criminals. Australia is the only country to fight with America in every single war since WWII.
Australia is a continent, an island, and a country all at once. You guys have really strange animals that can spin around like tornadoes and eat everything. You guys have your very own Canada(New Zealand).

[Tudor chick]

No, something about Captain Cook and convicts - that's all I remember from school. Oh yeah, also, Australia was on the Allied side in WWI & WWII(and gained a reputation for doughtyness). Oh yeah, also, the arrival of the Euro-types was not considered an unmixed blessing by the aboriginal folks (but that's the case planet-wide). Oh yeah, also, Canberra was a planned city like Washington DC. Oh yeah, also, Ayres Rock. That's all.

Since the advent of the internet, I have learned that the attempts at animal husbandry and agriculture met with failure until Mediterranean varieties were introduced.

That's the sum total, other than Australia's location on the map and the names and locations of five cities.

I like to think that I'm less unwell-read than most Americans. What else should I know? I'd be interested in an Aussie answer to that question.

Hi Lucius and Comet,

I can't really tell you what you should know - that's up to you. What I was trying to established is what you guys learnt at school, which is pretty much general knowledge stuff, which is more than I learnt of USA history.

Oh yeah - there is something you should know - Ayers Rock is now called Uluru. sort of pronounced oolaroo. Oh yeah something else you really should know, we have 6 states and two territories.

There is some comparative history with US though that might interest you both.
Both countries came from other countries and took over the original natives; both places treated the natives terribly.
Both have stories of pioneering settlers and their hardships in settling and making a new country.
Both had great explorers - this is a great subject to read about, e.g. Burke and Wills etc.
We had bushrangers, like Ned Kelly and his gang, you had outlaws? (Is that what you called them?) Another great subject to read about.
Both had the gold rush around the same time. 1850's another interesting comparison.
We both have national games that no other country places. Your gridiron ?and we have our Australian Rules Football - AFL. The best footy in the world, played at the best ground the MCG - holds 100,000 people.
We are both mad sporting nations but we are the world champions at cricket, rugby, a great at a few other sports.
We didn't have war of independence to get rid of a kings rule, which you did and you now have George Bush!
We are still a part of the commonwealth and have the west minister parliamentary system and have a Prime Minister, John Howard. Who is George Bush's best friend!
Question - do you know where George W is right now and why he is there?
Hope that has sparked your interest a bit in Australian History.

[Tudor chick]

I know about Captain Cook because I used to live in Hawaii and the Hawaiians are the ones who killed him and ate him.
I know that Australia's ancestors are a bunch of criminals. Australia is the only country to fight with America in every single war since WWII.
Australia is a continent, an island, and a country all at once. You guys have really strange animals that can spin around like tornadoes and eat everything. You guys have your very own Canada(New Zealand).

I don't think Cpt Cook was ate :eek: I just found this.

Interestingly, when Captain Cook was killed at Kealakekua in 1779, his body was treated with high honor, giving some credence to the tale that Hawaiians thought he was a returning god-or at least a man of great mana. According to journal entries by Cook's second lieutenant James King, which include details relayed to him by a Hawaiian chief that King refers to as "Eappo," Captain Cook's body was burned, and three chiefs were given the skull and long bones. These were later returned to Captain Clerke for return to England carefully wrapped in tapa and covered with a black and white spotted feather cloak.


Not all our ancestors are crims. It is trendy at the moment to have the odd convict in the family tree. :cool:
We have discussed the Australia war effort before so I won’t go there :rolleyes:
Your geography is right and yes NZ is almost another state of Oz.;)
What is the animal you talk of, could be a few :confused:
You have almost join Paddyboy in being the next "Dag" on the forum :D

[Pericles]

Tudor chick,

I would be happy to create a separate subforum for Australian history if there is enough demand for it. In organizing Historum, I thought a smaller number of broad, well-trafficked categories would be best. In theory, every country could have its own subforum but that would make the overall organization very complicated. That is why I put all of the Americas, including the United States, together in one subforum. The United Kingdom and Russia may or may not be part of Europe, depending on who you ask, but I put them in the European History subforum. And so on.

As for Australia not being part of Asia, perhaps the better term would be 'Asia Pacific'. If you type 'Asia Pacific' into Google, it brings up some maps that show Australia as being part of the Asia Pacific region, for example:
http://www.icbl.org/lm/2003/maps/asia-pacific.html

[Dr Realism]

I was referring to the Tasmanian Devil which, in American Bugs Bunny Cartoons, is portrayed as a crazy animal that spins around like a Tornado.

[Melisende]

We Aussies are as proud of our "convict" ancestors as Americans are of their Mayflower ancestors, and Brits are of their Conquest ancestors.

We love a good villain - now there's an oxymoron is ever there was one.
Ned Kelly, Breaker Morant (Boer War), Cpt. de Groot (opening the Sydney Harbour Bridge prior to the official opening), Peter Lalor (Eureka Stockade).

We love sport and we're good at it - aussie rules, cricket, rugby ....

Oh, and we're the world's largest island and smallest continent.

[PADDYBOY]

They cooked captain Cook ! :eek:

I like to think of all the wonderful things that Australia has given to the world,

Rolf Harris and his didgeridoo :confused:
Crocodile Dundee :cool:
Neighbours :mad:
Home & Away :mad:
Prisoner cell block H :confused:
A rugby team that thrashes England :cool:

Two out of six isn't bad :D

[heikstheo]

Tudor chick,

I would be happy to create a separate subforum for Australian history if there is enough demand for it. In organizing Historum, I thought a smaller number of broad, well-trafficked categories would be best. In theory, every country could have its own subforum but that would make the overall organization very complicated. That is why I put all of the Americas, including the United States, together in one subforum. The United Kingdom and Russia may or may not be part of Europe, depending on who you ask, but I put them in the European History subforum. And so on.

As for Australia not being part of Asia, perhaps the better term would be 'Asia Pacific'. If you type 'Asia Pacific' into Google, it brings up some maps that show Australia as being part of the Asia Pacific region, for example:
http://www.icbl.org/lm/2003/maps/asia-pacific.html I demand it! :cool:

[heikstheo]

There is a new topic on the American Civil War, which I don't really know a lot about because we did not do this at school here. This got me wondering.
Has anyone on the forum besides us 2 Aussie forum members learn Australian History at school? You know Captain Cook, convicts - sound familiar to anyone? If so what?
I had to put this post under general history because there is no Australian section... Why is this so Commander? We are not really part of Asia.I'd be highly surprised if there were that many Americans who had studied Australian history. The only US schools I could find that offered grad courses in Australian history (I searched this just out of curiosity) were Harvard University and the University of Hawaii. Other than that, about all one learns in the US about Aussie history in high school World History or college/university level Western Civilization is about Captain James Cook discovering Australia, the British turning Australia into a penal colony, and Australia as an independent country fighting on the side of the Allies in World War I (especially the Anzacs at Galipoli) and World War II.

[heikstheo]

I know that Australia's ancestors are a bunch of criminals. Well, the reason for that is that at the time the British Empire picked up Australia as a new colony, they had just lost the United States as an old colony, so they obviously needed a new place to dump all their criminals. :D :eek: :cool: :confused: ;)

[Melisende]

And Australia is further away from England than the US was!!!

[southernlady]

so they obviously needed a new place to dump all their criminals.

That's because we stopped them from using the state of GA in the US. Liz

[Tudor chick]

I was referring to the Tasmanian Devil which, in American Bugs Bunny Cartoons, is portrayed as a crazy animal that spins around like a Tornado.

Oh I remember this now. Luckily they only live in Tasmania!

[Tudor chick]

They cooked captain Cook ! :eek:

I like to think of all the wonderful things that Australia has given to the world,

Rolf Harris and his didgeridoo :confused:
Crocodile Dundee :cool:
Neighbours :mad:
Home & Away :mad:
Prisoner cell block H :confused:
A rugby team that thrashes England :cool:

Two out of six isn't bad :D

I was very shocked to find out about Cpt Cook. We didn't learn that at school:eek:

Now to your list.
I used to love Rolf Harris as a child before he moved to England became a pom!:confused:

I would put Steve Irwin in this list too. His death was one year ago almost to the day. I don't know if he became well known in the UK? He was well known in the USA

And the Australian Cricket team - Holders of the world cup. They also thrash England very regularly!:D:D

[Tudor chick]

Tudor chick,

I would be happy to create a separate subforum for Australian history if there is enough demand for it. In organizing Historum, I thought a smaller number of broad, well-trafficked categories would be best. In theory, every country could have its own subforum but that would make the overall organization very complicated. That is why I put all of the Americas, including the United States, together in one subforum. The United Kingdom and Russia may or may not be part of Europe, depending on who you ask, but I put them in the European History subforum. And so on.

As for Australia not being part of Asia, perhaps the better term would be 'Asia Pacific'. If you type 'Asia Pacific' into Google, it brings up some maps that show Australia as being part of the Asia Pacific region, for example:
http://www.icbl.org/lm/2003/maps/asia-pacific.html

Thanks for explaining that. You have done a great job with all of this and I am by no means complaining. I now understand how it all goes.:o
If it is not too much trouble you could change the category to Asia Pacific. We actually have an APEC meeting here now, which is Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation. So yeah go with Asia Pacific.:)
Since there are two active Aussies and a few dags on the forum it might spark some interest.
I will now go and address my identity crisis which I am now having. A Tudor chick but wanting an Australian section. hmmmm, something's amiss here:confused:

[Tudor chick]

I demand it! :cool:

You are now an official "dag" and almost a "drop kick". :D Ask Paddyboy if you don't know what this means;)

[Tudor chick]

I'd be highly surprised if there were that many Americans who had studied Australian history. The only US schools I could find that offered grad courses in Australian history (I searched this just out of curiosity) were Harvard University and the University of Hawaii. Other than that, about all one learns in the US about Aussie history in high school World History or college/university level Western Civilization is about Captain James Cook discovering Australia, the British turning Australia into a penal colony, and Australia as an independent country fighting on the side of the Allies in World War I (especially the Anzacs at Galipoli) and World War II.

I was talking about secondary / high school. Not University - dag:rolleyes:

[Vir0n]

I don't think Cpt Cook was ate :eek: I just found this.

Interestingly, when Captain Cook was killed at Kealakekua in 1779, his body was treated with high honor, giving some credence to the tale that Hawaiians thought he was a returning god-or at least a man of great mana. According to journal entries by Cook's second lieutenant James King, which include details relayed to him by a Hawaiian chief that King refers to as "Eappo," Captain Cook's body was burned, and three chiefs were given the skull and long bones. These were later returned to Captain Clerke for return to England carefully wrapped in tapa and covered with a black and white spotted feather cloak.

For an absolutely great book about Captain Cook, I highly recommend Blue Latitudes: Boldly Going Where Captain Cook Has Gone Before by Tony Horwitz. It mixes history with a modern travel biography. Very interesting stuff.

As for Captain Cook. Whether the natives actually roasted and ate him seems a bit of a stretch, but the fact is that they brutally killed him and mutilated his body. Granted, the chief gave some of the parts back in a nicely gift-wrapped box, but this doesn't change the fact that his remains were so mutilated that they could only be identified by a known scar on his right hand. Historians have debated why the Hawaiians had a change of heart. He was reportedly initially greeted as the god Lono based on the color of his skin and the time of his arrival corresponding with the season of worship of this god. It has been suggested that the natives realized that he wasn't really a god when he was forced to return with a broken ship (the premise being that a god's ship doesn't break). Others believe that they realized that he wasn't a god because he returned outside of Lono's season of worship. In my opinion, the natives were happy to see Cook and his abusive men leave and were pissed when he came back. Mutilating a man beyond recognition certainly sends a message, doesn't it?

[Tudor chick]

For an absolutely great book about Captain Cook, I highly recommend Blue Latitudes: Boldly Going Where Captain Cook Has Gone Before by Tony Horwitz. It mixes history with a modern travel biography. Very interesting stuff.

As for Captain Cook. Whether the natives actually roasted and ate him seems a bit of a stretch, but the fact is that they brutally killed him and mutilated his body. Granted, the chief gave some of the parts back in a nicely gift-wrapped box, but this doesn't change the fact that his remains were so mutilated that they could only be identified by a known scar on his right hand. Historians have debated why the Hawaiians had a change of heart. He was reportedly initially greeted as the god Lono based on the color of his skin and the time of his arrival corresponding with the season of worship of this god. It has been suggested that the natives realized that he wasn't really a god when he was forced to return with a broken ship (the premise being that a god's ship doesn't break). Others believe that they realized that he wasn't a god because he returned outside of Lono's season of worship. In my opinion, the natives were happy to see Cook and his abusive men leave and were pissed when he came back. Mutilating a man beyond recognition certainly sends a message, doesn't it?

I shall try to look this up. One of my bushwalking friends was telling me about a new Cpt Cook book last week, so maybe this is it. I have a book called Mrs Cook by Marele Day. It is fiction but very factual and from Mrs Cook point of view. The poor women hardly had her husband at home and when he was she got pregnant then he was off again. Her story is very sad, she outlived her husband and 6 children.
Back to the Captain, my understanding of his death is it was a bit of both of what you said. He was revered as a God and then when he returned it really got them mad as Gods are not suppose to do that and it was out of this Gods time of worship as you said.
Apparently he was nearly having a sort of nervous break down at the time and had a gut full of his drunken, stealing crew.
What I found above did mention the hand description. Terrible stuff.
I'll see if this new book mentions it.

[Nikd]

Australian history includes and history of the natives before Cook?

[Tudor chick]

Australian history includes and history of the natives before Cook?

Yes you are right. We did do Australian aboriginal history at school and I have read many interesting books about the struggles they have had since white settlement. They are supposed to be the oldest race on earth.

[Nikd]

Any sources about their life, social structure, wars, e.t.c. ?

[Tudor chick]

Any sources about their life, social structure, wars, e.t.c. ?


I haven't got a web site as such.

I am in a book club and we have read a lot books on the effect of white settlement on their culture, the stolen generation, land rights, and one we have just finished, the input of aborigines in the exploration of the country.
If you want I can get the names and authors of some of these and see if you can get copies of them?

I have just found a couple of sites that might be of interest.

I seem to be having trouble putting the web sites names on this page, they keep disappearing. This happened once before with bad results so I will try to guide you to where you can find it.

The site is enair.org/news/pdf/Rabbit-proofFence.pdf but with the www in front. \ (http://www.enair.org/news/pdfs/Rabbit-proofFence.pdf/)
This is about 3 stolen children who found there way back home following the rabbit proof fence. It has been made into a movie which the site shows, but you should be able to follow the story if you cannot get the movie or the book. If this link does not work do a Google search for Rabbit Proof Fence and you should get it.

Another site that might be of interest is dreamtime.net.au/index.cfm this is a good general knowledge site for the topics you asked about.

Hope this is of some interest.

[Telekinetik]

I'm Australian also -- while I'm more interested in French history (which becomes quite a nuisance, with the Francophobes of Australia), I have studied quite a lot of Australian History.
I may not, however, be of much help -- I'm only 16 (currently studying Year 11), but the Year 9-10 SC course is all Aus. History, and even some topics in the Year 11 course deal with it in some aspects; I just had to do an essay on the changing status of Aboriginals and Torres Straight Islanders in Legal Studies, bah.

[southernlady]

Rabbit-proof fence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit-proof_fence)

Welcome to Indigenous Australia (http://www.dreamtime.net.au/)

Just thought I would help with the links. Liz

[Telekinetik]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gallipoli

The Battle of Gallipoli is probably the biggest celebrated event of Australian History (ANZAC day). I guess it's like Bastille Day, or the 4th of July, in that it established an independence for Australia.

[Vir0n]

Here is a quiz for the Australian history buffs (or anyone else). What is the piece of equipment in this picture (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a392/VIR0N/Wagon.jpg) and how does it relate to an important piece of Australian history?

[Melisende]

Looks like a bulldozer - or a portable brewery!!!

[PADDYBOY]

Yes you are right. We did do Australian aboriginal history at school and I have read many interesting books about the struggles they have had since white settlement. They are supposed to be the oldest race on earth.


I vaguely remember reading somewhere about the last pure bred human (uncontaminated? by a foreign race) being an Australian aboriginal male who died about two centuries ago ? I also remember reading something about Australian aboriginies huddling up whilst Europeans slaughtered them, as they knew little about warfare.
I will need to dig out some old (oh so old:o ) books from my loft to check these sources though, hopefuly they wont be too outdated.

[PADDYBOY]

Here is a quiz for the Australian history buffs (or anyone else). What is the piece of equipment in this picture (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a392/VIR0N/Wagon.jpg) and how does it relate to an important piece of Australian history?


Looks like some sort of portable boiling/cleansing piece of equipment ??

[Vir0n]

Looks like some sort of portable boiling/cleansing piece of equipment ??

You are partially correct. It is spewing fumes from boiling arsenic. Now, why? The answer is also in the picture, but they are very difficult to see. I will give another hint after a bit more time.

[PADDYBOY]

Is it something to do with gold/ore processing ?? White arsenic?

[Vir0n]

Is it something to do with gold/ore processing ?? White arsenic?

Nope. Here is a close-up (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a392/VIR0N/cacti.jpg)of what the ground looks like in the periphery. This was an important part of Australian history. Americans won't likely know the answer from history books, but rather from biology class. It is probably in 90% of all introductory biology and ecology texts.

[southernlady]

Americans won't likely know the answer from history books, but rather from biology class. It is probably in 90% of all introductory biology and ecology texts.

Actually we would know it from our own history books, Arizona history. And geology books. It's cacti. Prickly pear cacti to be exact. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opuntia
Prickly pear cacti are usually classified in the subgenus Opuntia, typically grow with flat, rounded segments that are armed with two kinds of spines; large, smooth, fixed spines and small, hairlike spines called glochids that easily penetrate skin and detach from the plant. Many types of prickly pear grow into dense, tangled structures.

Prickly pears in Australia

Prickly pears (mostly Opuntia stricta) were imported into Australia in the 19th century for use as a natural agricultural fence and in an attempt to establish a cochineal dye industry. They quickly became a widespread weed, rendering 40,000 km² of farming land unproductive. The Cactoblastis moth, a South American moth whose larvae eat prickly pear, was introduced in 1925 and almost wiped out the infestation. This case is often cited as a textbook example of successful biological pest control. The same moth, introduced accidentally further north of its native range into southern North America, is causing serious damage to some native species in that area.

http://www.northwestweeds.nsw.gov.au/prickly_pear_history.htm

Apparently Prickly Pear is to Australia what Kudzu is to the Southern US. Liz

[Vir0n]

Apparently Prickly Pear is to Australia what Kudzu is to the Southern US. Liz

Nice. Well, I have now exhausted my knowledge of Australian history.;)

[Melisende]

See, we'll make beer from just about anything ... :)

[southernlady]

Well, we haven't made beer from Kudzu but maybe we should...there is enough of the blasted stuff.

Good going if you made beer from it, LOL. Liz

[Tudor chick]

Nice. Well, I have now exhausted my knowledge of Australian history.;)


Hi Vir0n,

I have only just seen this topic. What an interesting machine. Do you know where the photo was taken?

[Vir0n]

Hi Vir0n,

I have only just seen this topic. What an interesting machine. Do you know where the photo was taken?

I'm not sure. Somewhere in NSW or Queensland. The photo is from a website with much more information about the biological control of the cactus: http://www.northwestweeds.nsw.gov.au...ar_history.htm (http://www.northwestweeds.nsw.gov.au/prickly_pear_history.htm)

[Tudor chick]

I'm not sure. Somewhere in NSW or Queensland. The photo is from a website with much more information about the biological control of the cactus: http://www.northwestweeds.nsw.gov.au...ar_history.htm

okay thanks for that.

[heikstheo]

Apparently Prickly Pear is to Australia what Kudzu is to the Southern US. LizA comic strip preacher that wears one of those goofy-looking Puritan hats? :D

[southernlady]

A comic strip preacher that wears one of those goofy-looking Puritan hats?

This is the Kudzu, I am referring to:
Kudzu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kudzu)
Pueraria montana (http://www.invasivespeciesinfo.gov/plants/kudzu.shtml)
Kudzu-The Vine (http://www.yahoolavista.com/kudzu/)

There is a cartoon named Kudzu (http://www.comicspage.com/kudzu/). But he's not an invasive plant. Liz

[PADDYBOY]

Tudor chick,

I would be happy to create a separate subforum for Australian history if there is enough demand for it. In organizing Historum, I thought a smaller number of broad, well-trafficked categories would be best. In theory, every country could have its own subforum but that would make the overall organization very complicated. That is why I put all of the Americas, including the United States, together in one subforum. The United Kingdom and Russia may or may not be part of Europe, depending on who you ask, but I put them in the European History subforum. And so on.

As for Australia not being part of Asia, perhaps the better term would be 'Asia Pacific'. If you type 'Asia Pacific' into Google, it brings up some maps that show Australia as being part of the Asia Pacific region, for example:
http://www.icbl.org/lm/2003/maps/asia-pacific.html


StrathSpey
This may answer your question :)

[StrathSpey]

Aye Paddy ,
I ackowledge that 'Asia Pacific' halfway meets the need .
But it stretches a bit too far into Asia , and neglects half the Pacific.
It slices Polynesia in half.

That grouping is a political one , not a cultural , social , linguistic , ancestral or social one .
It may suit Australia's needs , they who only sit on the Pacific rim , but not those of us who are Pacific Islanders , North or South , East or West .

The term Asia Pacific , like Oceania , divide us .

It is usually said that half measures avail us nothing . In this case they give the Pacific peoples one leg to stand on .
Until we are given a place for the other , We shall stomp it where we may .:D

Ka kite
Jock

[Tudor chick]

G'day and weclome, StrathSpey,

I tried and at least got something to get us noticed, so keep at it.

They are a good bunch here and you may find you like it. Look fwd to your posts.

[StrathSpey]

Cheers for that Tudor chick ,
yep , its odd how the nations that think that they are fit to rule the world , are a bunch a planks eh :D

take care

[afkgirl]

i'm working on some posts for the asia pacific fourm on australia
takeing me some time to put together something worth reading tho ^^

[Tudor chick]

Hi Pedro,

Some more books on Australian History.

The Fatal Shore by Robert Hughes - looks at the early convict settlements. Gut wrenching stuff.

Rabbit Proof Fence - by Doris Pilkington - about the stolen generation. A story of determination.

The Dig Tree - by Sarah Murgartroyd - about Burke and Wills ill-fated explorers of the Australian inland - great stuff.

You should have a few to go on with now.

[Pedro]

Hi Pedro,

Some more books on Australian History.

The Fatal Shore by Robert Hughes - looks at the early convict settlements. Gut wrenching stuff.

Rabbit Proof Fence - by Doris Pilkington - about the stolen generation. A story of determination.

The Dig Tree - by Sarah Murgartroyd - about Burke and Wills ill-fated explorers of the Australian inland - great stuff.

You should have a few to go on with now.

Thanks for the list. I enjoyed the movie Rabbit Proof Fence but have not seen the book round. Would like to read it. (along with a few million others) Is the R. Hughes the same that is the art critic? That alone grabs my interest.

[Tudor chick]

Thanks for the list. I enjoyed the movie Rabbit Proof Fence but have not seen the book round. Would like to read it. (along with a few million others) Is the R. Hughes the same that is the art critic? That alone grabs my interest.

I would not think so, but I really don't know:o

Yeah I know what you mean - I have about 5 new books awaiting for me to read, and two or three on the go at the moment.

[galteeman]

I recommend the Fatal Shore its one of the best reads ever and great entertainment as well as filled with information