Project on Mao Zedong, What should I include?

[XoDiSS]

I have his childhood, his rule, china before his rule, how and what he did, his beliefs, his influences on the world, his importance and his works. Is there anything you as the community see as important that I have left out?

[Nick]

His legacy: how his works impacted on modern China

[avon]

That already seems quite a heafty coverage. What size is the project??

[FourSimon]

Mao Zedong is human being's enemy. Why? In 1937, Japanese aggressor invaded China, but he ordered his army never to fight against japanese army. He wanted to expand his army and power. He ordered his army to still-hunt the army who fought against japs. He even sent a envy to japs headquarter to talk about how to fight with Chiang Kai-Shek's troop who fought againt with japs. A traitor!!!!

Around 1941-1944, in Yan'an, many intellectuals went to there and wanted to saved country, but if someone didn't obey Mao, he would kill him or her. All of Yan'an pervade terrorist atmosphere. All of intellectual were maltreated. Wang shi-wei, a brave intellectual, led many intellectuals to rebel. All of them were killed,and Wang was tortured to death during notorious Cultural Revolution. A sadist!!!


In 1957, Mao wanted to arrest people who opposed to him. He encourage all people to tell their opinions. Some people said the opinoins which made Mao not happy si that they were put in jail. During notorious Cultural Revolution, they were dead in jail A lier!!

From 1959 to 1961, a large famine happened in China. More than 40 millions people starved to death. Much people gnawed trunk, ate human's flesh and fathers cooked their sons. But Mao ate luxuriant food such as roast beef, fresh fish, etc. A cruel tyrant!!!

He evoked notorious Cutural Revolution, all of historical site were destroyed, many ancient people's bone or corpses were insulted, much innocent intellectuals were humiliated and maltreated and much guiltless people were put in jail and beat to death by Red guards. Young peopel couldn't attend to school because they become Red Guards and they could do what they want to do. They commited much crime such as rape, loot, beating innocent people, homicide, etc. Mao back up them. I can not tell all Cultural Revolution because it is full of much crime. Ihave to spend much time. A incarnation of devil!!!

He appreciated japanese army when Japanese prime minister visit him. He said japs fought against Chian's troop so we can expand. He appreciated again and again. A scum!!

I don't have much time to talk about such human's enemy. I think Dante can rewrite his Inferno put Mao in ninth level.

[Nick]

1.Mao's army fought as hard as the nationalists but with better tactics: guerrilla warfare which reduced their casualties in contrast to Chang's more conventional tactics
2. It was wartime. The KMT were no better: they beat and murdered suspected communists and Chang employed local gangsters to assassinate his opponents
3. Chang hired Nazis to exterminate communists before the war
4. KMT were also responsible for famine and looting: They terrorised the local peasants into handing over food to feed their army
5. Mao started the cultural revolution but it got out of hand. The gang of Four are mostly to blame for the chaos and destruction, exploiting it for their own gain.

[wz0923]

hello,i am a student from china.I am sorry to say i do partly agree what you have said .As a chinese ,I think I have more rights to show my view.
In my oppinion,Mao is not a perfect man,however,it is his troop that bring better life to millions of people,it is the most important thing.Anyway,people live better under his goverment,is not it?

[Isoroku295]

who are the gang of four

[Nick]

Four corrupt high-ranking party members: Jiang Qing, Zhang Chunqaio, Yao Wenyuan and Wang Hongwen
They took control of the cultural revolution and exploited it to gain influence. In 1976 they attempted to seize power after Mao's death.

[Isoroku295]

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[Gile na Gile]

hello,i am a student from china.I am sorry to say i do partly agree what you have said .As a chinese ,I think I have more rights to show my view.
In my oppinion,Mao is not a perfect man,however,it is his troop that bring better life to millions of people,it is the most important thing.Anyway,people live better under his goverment,is not it?

Hello there wz0923, I'd love to hear your views on the man and his movement or any impressions you have at all on the subject. Such a fascinating country and history and even though things have opened up over the last few years I still feel that there is so much we just don't understand. Most Chinese people I've talked to anyhow seem to hold Chairman Mao in high regard.

[der Rote Kampfflieger]

I think it would be imperative to include the "Great Leap Forward", Mao's attempt at the rapid intense Industrialization that Stalin had implemented. The plan, which attempted tod bring China from a war-ravaged former fuedal and now post-revolution agrarian country into the 20th Century was largelly fatal to the Chinese population. Employing such tactics like melting steel in backyard smelters, the intensity and the general lack of proper preperation of the authorities, sealed the fate of millions; which lead to one of the greatest famines in the history of the 20th Century. The government claimed that the death toll of the famine had been as high as fifteen million, but in reality, the toll is generally believed to be upwards in over 30 million.

In China, the Great Famine is generally known as Three Bitter Years, when referring to the famine itself and the economic hardship in general.

I'll write more, but I have no time, since I'm extremely late for my foreign diplomacy lecture!

[Gile na Gile]

Employing such tactics like melting steel in backyard smelters, the intensity and the general lack of proper preperation of the authorities, sealed the fate of millions; which lead to one of the greatest famines in the history ....... I'm extremely late for my foreign diplomacy lecture!

Sophocles always maintained that dramatic irony worked best in a vacuum. For my own part I believe that if a sound wave is produced the perturbation will surely be heard by somebody, somewhere, sometime.

[XoDiSS]

I got an excellent mark on the project. I thank you all sincerely, special one to Nick who made me research deeper into his core beliefs and his modified version of communism.

[Kris]

As a chinese ,I think I have more rights to show my view.


This is simply not true at all.

I was born in Norway, but I know very little about Norwegian history. Simply being born there does not give me more of a right than anyone else here to speak about the history of that country or any other country. It also doesn't make me more of an authority than anybody else.

As for the topic, I'm going to be writing a term paper soon about the Cultural Revolution: focusing on why Mao saw the destruction of Chinese history and culture to be necessary, and how successful he was in doing so.

[wz0923]

hello,I partly agree with you.In China,people who was borned before 1980s speak highly of Mao.however ,for me ,borned after 1980s,I do not have much interest on him.I think it is because Mao influenced them directly.
Sometimes,i also talked about Mao.because i do not satisfact the courrent goverment and the society.

[wz0923]

I am sorry for what I have said.
Yes,I can not learn Chinese history in China,just like,you can not learn Norway history in your country.it is about the goverment and polity.
I ever said so,I want to say ,if someone want to learn Chinese history,he must learn the culture first.As a Chinese ,I know more about my culture,that is all.

[finc92]

[quote=FourSimon;55951]Mao Zedong is human being's enemy. Why? In 1937, Japanese aggressor invaded China, but he ordered his army never to fight against japanese army. He wanted to expand his army and power. He ordered his army to still-hunt the army who fought against japs. He even sent a envy to japs headquarter to talk about how to fight with Chiang Kai-Shek's troop who fought againt with japs. A traitor!!!!

That is the biggest load of one-sided bullshit i've ever heard. Are you Taiwanese by any chance? Chiang Kai-shek instead of resisting Japan, decided he'd continue his purges of communists. His popular slogan - "Unification, and then resistance" (or words to that effect.) Also, your bit about Chiang Kai-shek's troops who were so noble and were the only ones fighting against 'the japs' almost brings a tear to the eye. Chiang Kai'shek's troops treated the peasants like garbage. They were the complete opposite of the Red Army during that time. How you could say that Mao Zedong was the traitor is unbelievable. Also, the united front was first proposed by the Comintern and later CCP (albeit with unfair conditions, namely that CKS would be excluded). And yet Chiang had to be kidnapped and threatened, no doubt, before he would agree to stop killing CCP members, his fellow Chinese, instead of resisting the Japanese invasion.

Chiang Kai-shek was the real traitor.

[Nick]

[quote=FourSimon;55951]Mao Zedong is human being's enemy. Why? In 1937, Japanese aggressor invaded China, but he ordered his army never to fight against japanese army. He wanted to expand his army and power. He ordered his army to still-hunt the army who fought against japs. He even sent a envy to japs headquarter to talk about how to fight with Chiang Kai-Shek's troop who fought againt with japs. A traitor!!!!

That is the biggest load of one-sided bullshit i've ever heard. Are you Taiwanese by any chance? Chiang Kai-shek instead of resisting Japan, decided he'd continue his purges of communists. His popular slogan - "Unification, and then resistance" (or words to that effect.) Also, your bit about Chiang Kai-shek's troops who were so noble and were the only ones fighting against 'the japs' almost brings a tear to the eye. Chiang Kai'shek's troops treated the peasants like garbage. They were the complete opposite of the Red Army during that time. How you could say that Mao Zedong was the traitor is unbelievable. Also, the united front was first proposed by the Comintern and later CCP (albeit with unfair conditions, namely that CKS would be excluded). And yet Chiang had to be kidnapped and threatened, no doubt, before he would agree to stop killing CCP members, his fellow Chinese, instead of resisting the Japanese invasion.

Chiang Kai-shek was the real traitor.
Good post.

[fledse]

In the views of Koreans, Mao is probably regarded as enemy since he deployed more than 500,000 million troops during the Korean War, in which the allies could have beaten up Kim Il Sung and eradicated the communists liars.



If Mao did not send troops at the time, we already would be living in one nation with better economy and others. The Great General McArthur should have bombed nuclear weapons on Chinese cities to let them know U.S. was willing to do everything, which was rejected by H. Truman. If Mao didn't send troops, no North Koreans are now suffering, no Kim Jung Il is slaughtering his own people, threatening the international society by saying they will project missiles and develop nuclear weapon.

But during the Korean War, Mao's fifth son was also in the frontline, and died due to bombing, which can be noteworthy, at least because Mao, as the top leader of China, sent his own son into the very frontline, which probably no leader in the world would do so. Mao, I believe, at least, did not cheat on people intentionally in arguing Communism is the best theroy and for the government.

On the same time, I am fully admitting that in history, "IF" is not considerable.


Anyhow, that is why ROK Army is now preparing preventional procedures along with U.S. Far Eastern Command to prevent Chinese in North Korea when there happens something urgent events. (We are currently practicing sending more than 1 division in the border between North Korea and China within 24 hours so that Chinese politicans or military can not think what they wanna do).

[Bruce bai]

Mao Zedong is human being's enemy. Why? In 1937, Japanese aggressor invaded China, but he ordered his army never to fight against japanese army. He wanted to expand his army and power. He ordered his army to still-hunt the army who fought against japs. He even sent a envy to japs headquarter to talk about how to fight with Chiang Kai-Shek's troop who fought againt with japs. A traitor!!!!

Around 1941-1944, in Yan'an, many intellectuals went to there and wanted to saved country, but if someone didn't obey Mao, he would kill him or her. All of Yan'an pervade terrorist atmosphere. All of intellectual were maltreated. Wang shi-wei, a brave intellectual, led many intellectuals to rebel. All of them were killed,and Wang was tortured to death during notorious Cultural Revolution. A sadist!!!


In 1957, Mao wanted to arrest people who opposed to him. He encourage all people to tell their opinions. Some people said the opinoins which made Mao not happy si that they were put in jail. During notorious Cultural Revolution, they were dead in jail A lier!!

From 1959 to 1961, a large famine happened in China. More than 40 millions people starved to death. Much people gnawed trunk, ate human's flesh and fathers cooked their sons. But Mao ate luxuriant food such as roast beef, fresh fish, etc. A cruel tyrant!!!

He evoked notorious Cutural Revolution, all of historical site were destroyed, many ancient people's bone or corpses were insulted, much innocent intellectuals were humiliated and maltreated and much guiltless people were put in jail and beat to death by Red guards. Young peopel couldn't attend to school because they become Red Guards and they could do what they want to do. They commited much crime such as rape, loot, beating innocent people, homicide, etc. Mao back up them. I can not tell all Cultural Revolution because it is full of much crime. Ihave to spend much time. A incarnation of devil!!!

He appreciated japanese army when Japanese prime minister visit him. He said japs fought against Chian's troop so we can expand. He appreciated again and again. A scum!!

I don't have much time to talk about such human's enemy. I think Dante can rewrite his Inferno put Mao in ninth level.

Hello there wz0923, I'd love to hear your views on the man and his movement or any impressions you have at all on the subject. Such a fascinating country and history and even though things have opened up over the last few years I still feel that there is so much we just don't understand. Most Chinese people I've talked to anyhow seem to hold Chairman Mao in high regard.

It's hard for you to understand that.As your logic, people in China should hate Mao. But in fact after 20 years refrom, more and more young chnese admire Chairman Mao, they went to his his hometown to memorialize him.If you foeigners visit in china, you'd better criticize Mao in public. Mao is still respected by Chinese ranging from young and old.
I heard a story about one foreigner in a Chinese taxi.The foreiner was not happy when he saw the badge wih Mao on it in the taxi, and said something unpolitely about Mao. The driver was so angry that he refused the visitor and gave him a lesson"You have no qualification to criticize him". Mao is not a god in heart but he still have large influence in China. If you show disrespect in China ,you may trigger public anger. When one girl's photo piggyback on Mao's statuary showed on the internet ,she was condemned by the public on the net.The girl dared not to go out for some time and apologized This was the real story this year.
Mao is still one of the greates political leader in China.

[IchigoLover]

hello,i am a student from china.I am sorry to say i do partly agree what you have said .As a chinese ,I think I have more rights to show my view.
In my oppinion,Mao is not a perfect man,however,it is his troop that bring better life to millions of people,it is the most important thing.Anyway,people live better under his goverment,is not it?

I do agree that Mao Ze Dong is a great leader in his leading skills.
But did you forget about how much deaths that person caused?
Let me emphasis this-So are you willing to sacrifice your ancestor for your own life to be good?
So are you expecting yourself to be sacrificed for your younger generations' to be good?
Can't you put yourself in their shoes?
I'm not being biased toward him but i am saying the truth.

[FourSimon]

It's hard for you to understand that.As your logic, people in China should hate Mao. But in fact after 20 years refrom, more and more young chnese admire Chairman Mao, they went to his his hometown to memorialize him.If you foeigners visit in china, you'd better criticize Mao in public. Mao is still respected by Chinese ranging from young and old.
I heard a story about one foreigner in a Chinese taxi.The foreiner was not happy when he saw the badge wih Mao on it in the taxi, and said something unpolitely about Mao. The driver was so angry that he refused the visitor and gave him a lesson"You have no qualification to criticize him". Mao is not a god in heart but he still have large influence in China. If you show disrespect in China ,you may trigger public anger. When one girl's photo piggyback on Mao's statuary showed on the internet ,she was condemned by the public on the net.The girl dared not to go out for some time and apologized This was the real story this year.
Mao is still one of the greates political leader in China.

I can not comprehend. The brainwashing is so deeply. people in China hate japsnese actrocities in the second sino-Japanese war. But Mao appreciated again and again "no Japanese invading army, no PRC"..............I don't want to type his crime again.That are too many. But as I know, many people in China hate PRC government deeply. Especially they know who real fought against japs and Mao's tyranny. Many people dare not to say in China and many people in China also prefer KMTthan CCP. I know some people live in China, and they said they hate their government blocks the informations and spreads many false news and history, they dare not condemn Mao's crime in China. In short, Mao's tyranny made much people die, his notorious cutural revolution made people lose ethic, so many lemons were made; much people put in jail innociently. brainwashing in China is really success.

[Bruce bai]

I can not comprehend. The brainwashing is so deeply. people in China hate japsnese actrocities in the second sino-Japanese war. But Mao appreciated again and again "no Japanese invading army, no PRC"..............I don't want to type his crime again.That are too many. But as I know, many people in China hate PRC government deeply. Especially they know who real fought against japs and Mao's tyranny. Many people dare not to say in China and many people in China also prefer KMTthan CCP. I know some people live in China, and they said they hate their government blocks the informations and spreads many false news and history, they dare not condemn Mao's crime in China. In short, Mao's tyranny made much people die, his notorious cutural revolution made people lose ethic, so many lemons were made; much people put in jail innociently. brainwashing in China is really success.

I don't think you are right. You undervalue the intelligence quotient of Chinese people. After more than 20 years' opening up to the outside world, Chinese people have their own international views, they can think by themselves. It's not such easy to affect the people by brainwashing. Brainwashing exist in china recent years in pyramid selling cases, but only few of them could be cheated.

Some of the fact you said is right. Some people really dislike or even hate Mao.Some Prefer KMT than CCP. But that's the minority in China ,not the mainstream. Most of the people still discuss that history , discuss Mao's achievements and faults.Chinese people don't regard Mao as a god as they once did tens of years ago. They konw most of the fact Mao had did in his life. Mao's fault really brought much distress to the people in his late years.Almost all the people admit that the Cultural revolution brought China backwards half a century also.But most of them are rational and calm after so many political issues during the past 50 years.They value the present stability in politics and daily life.

So be objective and not be so extreme ,though it is not such easy.