That is utterly illogical. The Chinese walked to China, not you. Their ancestors made that journey. Your african ancestors sat around in the subsaharan jungle whilst the ancestors of asians, europeans and amerindians explored and conquered the world. And now you try to take credit for their accomplishments.... it's pathetic.
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That is utterly illogical. The Chinese walked to China, not you. Their ancestors made that journey. Your african ancestors sat around in the subsaharan jungle whilst the ancestors of asians, europeans and amerindians explored and conquered the world. And now you try to take credit for their accomplishments.... it's pathetic.
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There's no evidence to point to the Egyptians being semitic. They were Egyptian, not semites, not nilotes, not nilo saharans.
"Hamitic hypothesis" literally was made to discuss "black caucasians" who gave "....... africans" civilization. By default, hamitic theory denotes black people with "caucasoid skin".
Except, Africans migrated accross the entire continent, over three times the size of europe. So much for sitting around in the jungle, of which most of sub saharan africa isn't even comprised of.
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Proto-Afroasiatic language - Wikipedia
From your own sources "debunking" afro-asiatic as a language family, (http://www.tufs.ac.jp/ts/personal/ratcliffe/comp & method-Ratcliffe.pdf <- that one), I see nothing that actually indicates that the argument presented is that the language family doesn't exist, rather, I see argument on the specifics of how this language was spoken, which, given that AfroAsiatic is one of the oldest language families we know of, makes sense.
"Of course since no one has direct access to proto-Afroasiatic, there is no way to determine absolutely whether a given proposed cognate set is spurious or not."
A sentence like this quite directly implies the existence of Afro-Asiatic as a language family that is accepted by larger academia, simply that there is difficulty in reconstructing it. You try reconstructing a language family, if you think it's easy.
Yes, Niger-Congo people are of north-east african origin, but they migrated before egypt was founded as a civilization.
All people are of African origin. The name "Hindu Kush" being applied to "Kush" is a misnomer. It's like me saying "haha, Shanghai sounds alot like Songhai, so the Songhai must've founded that city", or, "The Edo people of Japan must be the same as the Edo people of Nigeria.". "Kush" wasn't even likely the name that the Kushites refered to themselves as, it was an Egyptian name given to them. infact, how would the Hindu Kush being an extension of the Kushite empire work? What were the logistics of this combined empire? What studies have been put into this? How come theres no mention among ancient sources of a united Kushite / Indian empire?
" The language and cultures of the Tamil and the ancient Indus Valley civilization have been proven to overlap with various types of Africans namely the Mande of Western Saharan Africa today. The cohabitation of ancient Sahara between the Tamil and the other types of Africans is seen with the African and origins and spreading of millets."
Source for this wild claim?
The French, and other like them, tried to draw ties betwen African groups and Egyptians as a way of discrediting them - that the Egyptians gave them everything they know. It was textbook Hamitic theory.
Lol no. The basic Hamitic hypothesis, which has been proven by genetics, is that there were prehistoric Eurasian migrations into Africa. The theory was based on physical anthropology and archaeology and it has now been proven by genetics. An addition to this basic correct theory was that the admixed Hamitic Africans were responsible for all of the civilizational accomplishments in subsaharan africa. I have no particular opinion on that matter.
The good cop bad cop play. Brazen pale skinned supremacy aye?
Oh what a hissy fit. Did you know what the civilizers of the World known as the "Egyptians" actually thought about pale skinned people whom you claim created civilization? According to George Masey's book of the Beginning which was based on what was found in Egypt after the Rosetta stone was discovered, the word "Tamahu" literally translate into "the created white people". Guess what they said about Caucasians;
The ancient Egyptians speak about a race they created 6,000 years ago from the hairy ape-man [monkey/mon-key]. This creation was said to wreak havoc amongst the ....-sapiens, so the Egyptians rounded them up and imprisoned them in the Caucasus Mountains – which they called ‘Europa’ [Euro, after their Queen and ‘rope’ meaning roped off – imprisoned or contained]. The story relates, that the Egyptian, Moses [Tut’moses?] was sent to the Caucasus Mountains to civilised them, giving them language, writing and knowledge. They migrated south and conquered the aborigines of Europe and eventually, the rest of the world. It’s interesting to note that the Russian’s do have ancient texts regarding an exodus, similar to that of the bible. If you think this sounds a bit crazy, then you should look at the links below regarding Europeans in the middle ages who recognised both giants and ‘hairy-ape-men’ [yetis] as man-kind/like-men who terrorised the indigenous populations of the world but were eventually portrayed as kings, seers, holy men, warriors.
Champollion affirmed this in his letter to his brother and wrote:
"...Right in the valley of Biban-el-Moluk we admired, like all previous visitors, the astonishing freshness of the paintings and the fine sculptures on several tombs. I had a copy made of the peoples represented on the bas-reliefs. At first I had thought from the copies of these bas-reliefs published in England, that these peoples of different races led by the god Horus holding his shepherd's staff, were indeed nations subject to the rule of the Pharaohs. A study of the legends informed me that this tableau has a more general meaning. It portrays the third hour of the day, when the sun is beginning to turn on its burning rays, warming all the inhabited countries of our hemisphere. According to the legend itself, they wished to represent the inhabitants of Egypt and those of foreign lands. Thus we have before our eyes the image of the various races of man known to the Egyptians.
And we learn at the same time the great geographical or ethnographica divisions established during that early epoch. Men led by Horus, the shepherd of the peoples, belong to four distinct families. The first, the one closest to the god, has a dark red colour, a well-proportioned body, kind face, nose slightly aquiline, long braided hair, and is dressed in white. The legends designate this species as Rt-en-ne-Rme, the race of men par excellence i.e. the Egyptians.
They can be no uncertainty about the racial identity of the man who comes next: he belongs to the Black race, designated under the general term, Nahasi. The third presents a very different aspect; his skin colour borders on yellow or tan, he has a strongly aquiline nose, thick, black pointed beard and wears a short garment of varied colours; these are called, Namou.
Finally, the last one is what we call flesh-coloured, a white skin of the most delicate shade, a nose straight or slightly arched, blue eyes, blond or reddish beard, tall stature and very slender clad in a hairy ox-skin, a veritable savage tattooed [see my article on European Goths] on various parts of his body, he is called, Tamahou.
I hasten to seek the tableau corresponding to this one in the other royal tombs and, as a matter of fact, I found it in several. The variations I observed fully convinced me that they had tried to represent here the inhabitants of the four corners of the earth, according to the Egyptian system, namely;
The inhabitants of Egypt which, by itself formed one part of the world
The inhabitants of Africa proper: Blacks
Asians
Finally [and I am ashamed to say so, since our race is the last and the most savage in the series]. Europeans who, in those remote epochs, frankly did not cut too fine a figure in the world.
In this category we must include all blonds and white-skinned people living not only in Europe, but Asia as well, their starting point. This manner of viewing the tableau is all the more accurate because, on the other tombs, the same generic names appear, always in the same order. We find there, Egyptians and Africans represented in the same way, which could not be otherwise; but the Namou [the Asians] and the Tamahou [Europeans] present significant and curious variants. Instead of the Arab or the Jew, dressed simply and represented on one tomb, Asian's representatives on other tombs [those of Ramases 11 ect] are three individuals, tanned complexion, aquiline nose, black eyes, and thick beard but clad in rare splendour.
In one, they are evidently Assyrians, their costume, down to the smallest detail, is identical with that of personages engraved on Assyrian cylinders. In the other, are Medes or early inhabitants of some part of Persia. Their physiognomy and dress resemble, feature for feature, those found on monuments called, Persepolitan. Thus, Asia was represented indiscriminately by any one of the peoples who inhabited it.
The same is true of our good old ancestors, the Tamahou. Their attire is sometimes different; their heads are more or less hairy and adorned with various ornaments; their savage dress varies somewhat in form, but their white complexion, their eyes and beard all preserve the character of a race apart. I had this strange ethnographical series copied and coloured. I certainly did not expect, on arriving at Biban-el-Moluk, to find sculptures that could serve as vignettes for the history of the primitive Europeans, if ever one has the courage to attempt it, nevertheless, there is something flattering and consoling in seeming them, ...."
- Champollion
Champollion affirmed this in his letter to his brother and wrote:
"...Right in the valley of Biban-el-Moluk we admired, like all previous visitors, the astonishing freshness of the paintings and the fine sculptures on several tombs. I had a copy made of the peoples represented on the bas-reliefs. At first I had thought from the copies of these bas-reliefs published in England, that these peoples of different races led by the god Horus holding his shepherd's staff, were indeed nations subject to the rule of the Pharaohs. A study of the legends informed me that this tableau has a more general meaning. It portrays the third hour of the day, when the sun is beginning to turn on its burning rays, warming all the inhabited countries of our hemisphere. According to the legend itself, they wished to represent the inhabitants of Egypt and those of foreign lands. Thus we have before our eyes the image of the various races of man known to the Egyptians.
And we learn at the same time the great geographical or ethnographica divisions established during that early epoch. Men led by Horus, the shepherd of the peoples, belong to four distinct families. The first, the one closest to the god, has a dark red colour, a well-proportioned body, kind face, nose slightly aquiline, long braided hair, and is dressed in white. The legends designate this species as Rt-en-ne-Rme, the race of men par excellence i.e. the Egyptians.
They can be no uncertainty about the racial identity of the man who comes next: he belongs to the Black race, designated under the general term, Nahasi. The third presents a very different aspect; his skin colour borders on yellow or tan, he has a strongly aquiline nose, thick, black pointed beard and wears a short garment of varied colours; these are called, Namou.
Finally, the last one is what we call flesh-coloured, a white skin of the most delicate shade, a nose straight or slightly arched, blue eyes, blond or reddish beard, tall stature and very slender clad in a hairy ox-skin, a veritable savage tattooed [see my article on European Goths] on various parts of his body, he is called, Tamahou.
I hasten to seek the tableau corresponding to this one in the other royal tombs and, as a matter of fact, I found it in several. The variations I observed fully convinced me that they had tried to represent here the inhabitants of the four corners of the earth, according to the Egyptian system, namely;
The inhabitants of Egypt which, by itself formed one part of the world
The inhabitants of Africa proper: Blacks
Asians
Finally [and I am ashamed to say so, since our race is the last and the most savage in the series]. Europeans who, in those remote epochs, frankly did not cut too fine a figure in the world.
In this category we must include all blonds and white-skinned people living not only in Europe, but Asia as well, their starting point. This manner of viewing the tableau is all the more accurate because, on the other tombs, the same generic names appear, always in the same order. We find there, Egyptians and Africans represented in the same way, which could not be otherwise; but the Namou [the Asians] and the Tamahou [Europeans] present significant and curious variants. Instead of the Arab or the Jew, dressed simply and represented on one tomb, Asian's representatives on other tombs [those of Ramases 11 ect] are three individuals, tanned complexion, aquiline nose, black eyes, and thick beard but clad in rare splendour.
In one, they are evidently Assyrians, their costume, down to the smallest detail, is identical with that of personages engraved on Assyrian cylinders. In the other, are Medes or early inhabitants of some part of Persia. Their physiognomy and dress resemble, feature for feature, those found on monuments called, Persepolitan. Thus, Asia was represented indiscriminately by any one of the peoples who inhabited it.
The same is true of our good old ancestors, the Tamahou. Their attire is sometimes different; their heads are more or less hairy and adorned with various ornaments; their savage dress varies somewhat in form, but their white complexion, their eyes and beard all preserve the character of a race apart. I had this strange ethnographical series copied and coloured. I certainly did not expect, on arriving at Biban-el-Moluk, to find sculptures that could serve as vignettes for the history of the primitive Europeans, if ever one has the courage to attempt it, nevertheless, there is something flattering and consoling in seeming them, ...."
- Champollion
The North American Review Volume 0139 Issue 334 (Sept 1884)
Title: Our Remote Ancestry [pp. 246-256]
Author: Winchell, Alexander, Prof.
Collection: Journals: North American Review (1815 - 1900)
Title: Our Remote Ancestry [pp. 246-256]
Author: Winchell, Alexander, Prof.
Collection: Journals: North American Review (1815 - 1900)
You should realise that I’m probably not going to read anything you post which is longer than a couple of paragraphs. I made my logical point very succinctly, and I’m not interested in reading your completely illogical nonsense if you can’t even boil it down.
As I stated in my previous comment, your assertion is simply illogical. It doesn’t make sense at the most basic level.
As I stated in my previous comment, your assertion is simply illogical. It doesn’t make sense at the most basic level.
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You sir are desperate!
"An earlier generation of anthropologists tried to explain face form in the Horn of Africa as the result of admixture from hypothetical “wandering Caucasoids,”.. but that explanation founders on the paradox of why that supposedly potent “Caucasoid” people contributed a dominant quantity of genes for nose and face form but none for skin color or limb proportions." --CL Brace, 1993
Even the Semitic Amharic Ethiopians (who weren't apart of the Egyptians civilization) have minuscule "Eurasian" genetics.
"These data, together with those reported elsewhere (Ritte et al. 1993a, 1993b; Hammer et al. 2000) suggest that the Ethiopian Jews acquired their religion without substantial genetic admixture from Middle Eastern peoples and that they can be considered an ethnic group with essentially a continental African genetic composition." (Cruciani, et. al Am J Hum Genet. 2002 May; 70(5): 1197-1214. "A Back Migration from Asia to Sub-Saharan Africa Is Supported by High-Resolution Analysis of Human Y-Chromosome Haplotypes)
Debunked on genetics and anthropology. Give it up.
Semites weren't doing anything either. The original black people of the Near East were the people who brought civilization into the regions. When nomadic Caucasians left the caves and bum rushed the civilizations as barbaric hoards they either destroyed (Indus Valley and Palesgian civilizations) or usurped (Mesopotamia) and eventually ran into the ground by warring barbaric semitic people who barely learned the science of civilization from the black forefathers before snatching it.
"All Semites (Arabs and Jews)…are mixed breeds of Blacks and Whites; the Arab race cannot be conceived as anything but a mixture of Blacks and Whites; the entire Arab people, including the Prophet, are mixed with ..... blood. - C.A. Diop
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That's simply not what the Hamitic Hypothesis was, or what it implies. Your discussing the theory of back migration from the Levant, and of interaction between southern arabia and Ethiopia, not the hypothesis of a group of people called "hamites". Hamitic theory included with it, among other things, the concept of a "Hamitic language family" under "Afro Asiatic" (which has since been disregarded).
And there is a difference between "hypothesis" and "theory", by the way.
Hm okay. But the Bantu migrations started late. So I guess they were maybe climbing trees for thousands of years or something like that before they got going. Only joking lol. Probably they were just sitting around scratching their butts whilst their Eurasian cousins conquered the world. I have no problem with Africans, just with Africans who try to steal other people’s achievements in an attempt to aggrandise their own history.
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And degradation is thus an appropriate response? .-.
This also ignores the fact that Khoi-lIke people have inhabited southern regions in africa for years upon years before the Bantu migration, becoming among the first human populations to diverge from the "main hub", as I'll put it.
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I think you need to do more research and in an objective way.
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@YoYoYoo, I don’t want to be mean but the reality is that your ancestors were running around naked in the jungle eating each other, using sticks and stones as weapons the entire time that ancient Egypt existed. Your people were still illiterate and had no idea what a wheel was when Europeans rolled up in the late 19th century. Everything your african kin have which constitutes modern civilization, they got from Europeans. Like I say I don’t want to be mean i’m Just laying out facts.
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Before we even start it's worth noting that the oldest iron production on Earth is found in what is now the Central Republic of Africa, so miss me with the primitive African implications. We can really get into that hidden "glorious" Anglo Saxon history prior to 1492 if that is implied.
The Bantu migration started around the 6th century BC from the Nile Valley civilizations into West, South and Central Africa. No African on the continent has an oral history adhering to the Bantu Migration starting in West Africa. The Bantu migration occurred when Semitic hoards under the Persian guise invaded ancient Kemet successfully by strapping cats to their chest when charging. The map below was created by Africans based on their oral traditions, not lying Europeans who have a history of belittling the contributions of the oldest people on Earth.
Original homeland of the Bantu up to 1500 A.D
Dark shading: Possible ultimate origin of the Bantu
Cross shading: Area of Bantu expansion into Kemet
Bantu Migration Routes from Cush and the Island of Meroe
Migration of the Bantu
No Caucasians are the one's who do not have a history prior to 2,000...WHY, because you all were still in the Caucus mountains living like this;
Dhar Tichitt was being built in Western Africa by the Mande branch of Niger-Congo speakers at this moment in time;
Oh but wait I thought that Hamites brought civlization into Africa, what are the Mande in West Africa dealing with multiple story buildings before any "Hamite" civilizations in the Horn of Africa?It’s funny how they think that the most damaged statues with completely broken faces look like them.
“Caucasians are the one's who do not have a history prior to 2,000...WHY, because you all were still in the Caucus mountains living like this”
Ha.. I can give you a very detailed account of european civilization from at least 9000 years ago. In contrast you have absolutely no idea what was going on in subsaharan African a couple of thousand years ago. So you make up these idiotic and completely imaginary stories to fill the void. The harsh reality is that you were very primitive people but you just can’t bring yourself to face facts.
Ha.. I can give you a very detailed account of european civilization from at least 9000 years ago. In contrast you have absolutely no idea what was going on in subsaharan African a couple of thousand years ago. So you make up these idiotic and completely imaginary stories to fill the void. The harsh reality is that you were very primitive people but you just can’t bring yourself to face facts.
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I'm not saying the Pharaoh didn't have some of the classical Western African look. But one statue is not enough to match with some modern picture. And above all I'm not saying blacks look like .... Erectus (which is the opposite). I'm saying this man looks like a .... Erectus. I'm no longer taking part in this petty racial thread.
Those pictures you posted aren’t of Dhar Tichitt, they’re pictures of towns built by North African Berbers in the Middle Ages. I know more about african history than you lol.
That was never the case. We lived in Northeastern Africa not the jungle.
"Interestingly, the ancient Egyptians recorded the Tamahu, which means created white people.
Egyptian writings also refer to whites as Typhonians or People of Seth, both meaning “the devils.” After these “white devils” were first released into the Black community of the Near East 6000 years ago,
they caused severe strife, thus the Africans rounded them up, stripped them of everything and exiled them to the caves and hills of the Caucasus Mountains. This explains the sudden appearance of white people in this region. To prevent their escaping Africans installed a series of guarded walls blocking all exits along that area from one sea to the other!
Thus “roping” them off (hence the word Europe). These walls have been witnessed and recorded by many European writers, including Pliny. Thus, totally cut off from civilization, the whites degenerated into uncivilized, nomadic savages. They remained this way for 2000 years until ‘Allah mercifully sent an Egyptian priest named Musa or Moses to civilize them.’
This explains the otherwise unknown reason why suddenly about 2000 B.C.E, vast hordes of these white barbarians left
the Caucasus region and stormed all the (Black) centers of civilizations throughout Mesopotamia, the Near East, Africa and India, destroying and usurping them.
Egyptian writings also refer to whites as Typhonians or People of Seth, both meaning “the devils.” After these “white devils” were first released into the Black community of the Near East 6000 years ago,
they caused severe strife, thus the Africans rounded them up, stripped them of everything and exiled them to the caves and hills of the Caucasus Mountains. This explains the sudden appearance of white people in this region. To prevent their escaping Africans installed a series of guarded walls blocking all exits along that area from one sea to the other!
Thus “roping” them off (hence the word Europe). These walls have been witnessed and recorded by many European writers, including Pliny. Thus, totally cut off from civilization, the whites degenerated into uncivilized, nomadic savages. They remained this way for 2000 years until ‘Allah mercifully sent an Egyptian priest named Musa or Moses to civilize them.’
This explains the otherwise unknown reason why suddenly about 2000 B.C.E, vast hordes of these white barbarians left
the Caucasus region and stormed all the (Black) centers of civilizations throughout Mesopotamia, the Near East, Africa and India, destroying and usurping them.
Whew Chile
And you all still grow tails...
TAILS
TAILS FAMILY There is NOTHING else that you can say at this point. That's just one thing different about you. What if we get into the sulfur based melanin...sulfur....ours is carbon based (like everything NATURAL in the universe). If you want to go there than we can.so much for higher up the evolutionary chain don't mean to be mean
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