America's failed war on drugs

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Do you have any research to back it up?
Also @Karri ,
To be fair since at least the 1840s ethnic based gangs are just an integral part of US culture. The original street gangs in NYC in the Antebellum eta were Anglo-Saxon or English such has the Native Guards. During the 1840s there were waves of Irish immigrants due to the potato famine who formed gaga such has the Dead Rabbits and the Whyos. Latter in the Nineteenth Century or early 20th Century there was a large Italian street gang the Five Points and a Jewish gang the Osterman Monk gang. By the 1920s during Prohibition former Jewish and Italian street gang members most famously Salvatore Lucina ( Lucky Luciano) and Myer Lansky among others formed the American Mafia which some Mafia families smuggled drugs into the US in the immediate post WWII year's. Street gang culture had nothing to do with prison culture . Prison gangs ate more about each ethnic or racial group in prison branding together against rival ethnic or racial groups.
Post in thread 'Did the CIA aid the drug cartels to import cocaine and crack in order to finance the Nicaraguan Contras?' Did the CIA aid the drug cartels to import cocaine and crack in order to finance the Nicaraguan Contras?

While this famous scene from the Godfather is fictional it does truthfully reflect the feelings and future actions of different Mafia families regarding the distribution and sale of illegal drugs. Some families such has the Genovese Family in which the head Capo was convicted in 1957 of federal narcotics violations did participate in the drug trade while arguably the Lucheese Family did not.

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beside the growing and harvesting , cocaine need a lot of processing

In the source country, cocaine sells for around $2,000 per kg. By the time it gets to Mexico it costs $8-12,000 per kg. In the US border states it costs $15,000-$20,000 per kg. Further north it can cost up to $40,000 per kg.
 
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That's the profit margin of risk , make the stuff a government issued product and the narco business collapse

Just a though of the top of my head , the USDA organize a straight supply between Colombian farmers and US legal outlets
certainly would see to a product of good quality , even with " protected designation of origin " .......and it could be taxed !
 
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Also @Karri ,
To be fair since at least the 1840s ethnic based gangs are just an integral part of US culture. The original street gangs in NYC in the Antebellum eta were Anglo-Saxon or English such has the Native Guards. During the 1840s there were waves of Irish immigrants due to the potato famine who formed gaga such has the Dead Rabbits and the Whyos. Latter in the Nineteenth Century or early 20th Century there was a large Italian street gang the Five Points and a Jewish gang the Osterman Monk gang. By the 1920s during Prohibition former Jewish and Italian street gang members most famously Salvatore Lucina ( Lucky Luciano) and Myer Lansky among others formed the American Mafia which some Mafia families smuggled drugs into the US in the immediate post WWII year's. Street gang culture had nothing to do with prison culture . Prison gangs ate more about each ethnic or racial group in prison branding together against rival ethnic or racial groups.
Post in thread 'Did the CIA aid the drug cartels to import cocaine and crack in order to finance the Nicaraguan Contras?' Did the CIA aid the drug cartels to import cocaine and crack in order to finance the Nicaraguan Contras?

While this famous scene from the Godfather is fictional it does truthfully reflect the feelings and future actions of different Mafia families regarding the distribution and sale of illegal drugs. Some families such has the Genovese Family in which the head Capo was convicted in 1957 of federal narcotics violations did participate in the drug trade while arguably the Lucheese Family did not.

Leftyhunter

Well, ethnic-based crime is the price the US paid for its otherwise very successful emigration policies.
 
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In the source country, cocaine sells for around $2,000 per kg. By the time it gets to Mexico it costs $8-12,000 per kg. In the US border states it costs $15,000-$20,000 per kg. Further north it can cost up to $40,000 per kg.
Very similar to the ancient Silk Road. Each intermediary takes a big cut.
 
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The reality is that those at the top of the drug pyramid have deep pockets, allowing them to afford top-notch legal representation. So even if they're caught and convicted, they've got the resources to bypass somehow the law. Like, for example, appeals become a routine part of their strategy, often resulting in reduced sentences or even overturned convictions.
Because it says on this law firm's site that a person can appeal the conviction for a number of reasons, like juror bias or misconduct, misapplication of the law, or the evidence could not support the conviction or sentence.
Simply throwing more money at enforcement isn't the answer. We need comprehensive strategies that address the root causes of drug abuse, provide support for addiction treatment and rehabilitation, and disrupt the economic motivations driving the illicit drug trade.
 
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The reality is that those at the top of the drug pyramid have deep pockets, allowing them to afford top-notch legal representation. So even if they're caught and convicted, they've got the resources to bypass somehow the law. Like, for example, appeals become a routine part of their strategy, often resulting in reduced sentences or even overturned convictions.
Because it says on this law firm's site that a person can appeal the conviction for a number of reasons, like juror bias or misconduct, misapplication of the law, or the evidence could not support the conviction or sentence.
Simply throwing more money at enforcement isn't the answer. We need comprehensive strategies that address the root causes of drug abuse, provide support for addiction treatment and rehabilitation, and disrupt the economic motivations driving the illicit drug trade.
Actually sometimes the top drug dealers do get caught such has Vito Genoveses in 1957 and Paolo Escobar was killed by the Colombian police. Yes their is a ling appeals process but it doesn't matter if the top drug dealers are incarcerated or not as they are replaceable. Drug dealers are simply filling filling a demand and no representative democracy can solve the problem and some have just stoped trying .
There is no real comprehensive solution has the US has been trying to solve the drug problem on a legal basis since 1914 . There is no proven rehabilitation program that has empirical evidence to support it with even a twenty percent success rate.
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