By November 1918-January 1919, Was Woodrow Wilson the Greatest President?

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Everything seemed to be going well. After a very productive first term that successfully brought in landmark legislation that still resonates today, President Wilson, in his second term, was on his way to Europe to broker post war resolutions that would have global consequences.

The United States had been the decisive factor in turning the tide in the stalemate in Europe, now the great statesman, Woodrow Wilson, at the apex of his power seemed ready to use it.

Discuss this moment in time, and the seemingly invincible power/influence Wilson possessed.
 
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Much of Wilson's power disappeared as soon as the war ended. It had come from the Allied dependence on the United States to continue fighting. The rapid American demobilization meant that Wilson's ability to dictate events waned even further during 1919.
 
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Strangest topic description I have seen in a number of weeks....

Wilson ruined the nation, though Pierce and Buchanan were terrible Presidents in the short term, Wilson has more enduring damage to his credit than any Chief Exec of American history.

Answer: "no".
 
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Much of Wilson's power disappeared as soon as the war ended. It had come from the Allied dependence on the United States to continue fighting. The rapid American demobilization meant that Wilson's ability to dictate events waned even further during 1919.
Wilson was an egotist who thought he knew best. The year 1919 destroyed his effective control of policy and the stress of his efforts to have the US membership in the League ratified most likely had a serious effect on his health. By the fall, his stroke left him only semi functional, and he became essentially a figurehead with little to no influence in Congress.

Some have criticized his insistence on self determination at Versailles, but I don't think that mattered. The old empires after WW I were finished, and the former imperial peoples were going to go their own ways regardless, even if that meant mistreating their own "new" minorities.

Wilson's difficulties with the Senate during the League ratification process were due to his refusal to compromise sufficiently (or at all). It was bad politics and worse statesmanship. The US Senate was never going to agree to involve the US is somebody else's wars because of League "collective security." Wilson should have realized that. Had the US had a seat at the table without the military strings attached, there might have been some positive benefit.
 
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Wilson imposed his League idea on a reluctant Europe as a guarantee of lasting peace and then was unable to persuade his own country to join it. Without America, the League was a talking shop without power. In the absence of Wilson, France would have simply occupied large parts of Germany as was done at the end of WW2.

From what I have read he was full of his own importance, convinced he was right and understood the world better than others. But ultimately he failed.
 
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Everything is matter of perspective. from the point of view of the Bulgarians he is the greatest POTUS ever.
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A monument in the capital of Bulgaria, located near the central mineral baths, honors Thomas Woodrow Wilson, the 28th President of the United States. It was erected in recognition of his role as a benefactor of Bulgaria during the Paris peace conference. After the Great War he went to great lengths to dissuade the victors from punishing the vanquished too harshly. Wilson halted the Entente plan that Bulgaria should be divided into three and given to the victors Greece, Romania and Serbia.

ED/IT: Sorry, the Bulgarian text on the monument:

Томас Удроу Уилсън. 28-и президент на САЩ. Застъпник за България.

Translation:

Thomas Woodrow Wilson. 28th President of the USA. Protector of Bulgaria.
 
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Strangest topic description I have seen in a number of weeks....

Wilson ruined the nation, though Pierce and Buchanan were terrible Presidents in the short term, Wilson has more enduring damage to his credit than any Chief Exec of American history.

Answer: "no".
Why so strong against Wilson? He seems to me an above average president, maybe even a good one.
 
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Wilson overturned Jackson's legacy with respect to the establishment of central banking. Concentration of banking authority is for the British Empire, for the Victorians, not a free Republic.
 
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Wilson overturned Jackson's legacy with respect to the establishment of central banking. Concentration of banking authority is for the British Empire, for the Victorians, not a free Republic.
You'd prefer JP Morgan acting as the defacto central bank?

Also two bank runs back to back which the only reason we were able to recover is that the wealthiest person at the time, JP Morgan decided to first bail out every national Bank and then subsequently establish the Federal Reserve system.

Without a central banking system, how do you get off the gold standard?
 
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Wilson overturned Jackson's legacy with respect to the establishment of central banking. Concentration of banking authority is for the British Empire, for the Victorians, not a free Republic.

Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act. However, it was written by bankers and passed by Congress. Wilson did not have a major role in it. Legislation is passed by Congress, and the President can sign or veto it. This was the system with Parliament in England, even when the monarchs were much more powerful than Parliament.

There was a meeting at a private club on Jekyl Island in Georgia. The attendees were Nelson Aldrich, A. Piatt Andrew, Henry Davison, Arthur Shelton, Frank Vanderlip and Paul Warburg. Aldrich and Shelton represented John D. Rockefeller and his bank. Another two represented JP Morgan and the Morgan bank. Warburg represented a German Jewish investment bank and some think the Rothchilds.

The bill was introduced by Congressmen from Virginia and Rhode Island, two elite run states, where they could get away with representing banking interests.

It is controversial, partly because of massive inflation ever since. The dollar used to be tied to gold. There were problems going without a central bank for 80 years though.
 
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The Federal Reserve is also controversial because it is quasi-governmental, but partly run by the banks.

Wilson really had little choice. It would have been dangerous for him to go up against the bankers by vetoing that bill.
 
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You'd prefer JP Morgan acting as the defacto central bank?



Without a central banking system, how do you get off the gold standard?

The House of Morgan of course was the camel's nose of the British Empire. I'd prefer closer cooperation with Paris and Berlin, heck Buenos Aires as well. Why didn't the bankers try their takeover while McKinley, TR and Taft were in the WH?
 
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The Federal Reserve is also controversial because it is quasi-governmental, but partly run by the banks.

Wilson really had little choice. It would have been dangerous for him to go up against the bankers by vetoing that bill.

So another in a long line of cowards as Chief Execuitve, then. Interesting standard to apply to the Chief of State. Fascinating, my friend! ;)
 
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The Jekyll Island meeting was 3 years before the Federal Reserve Act was passed. The President didn't have that much role in legislation. Maybe the banks arranged a 3rd party candidate to split the vote and get Wilson elected.

I don't think any President would veto that legislation. Only Andrew Jackson was willing to take on the bankers.

Yes, the Morgan Bank lent large sums to Britain and France during WWI while the US was neutral. It was also the sole purchasing agent for Entente purchases of US war materiel.
 
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Everything seemed to be going well. After a very productive first term that successfully brought in landmark legislation that still resonates today, President Wilson, in his second term, was on his way to Europe to broker post war resolutions that would have global consequences.

The United States had been the decisive factor in turning the tide in the stalemate in Europe, now the great statesman, Woodrow Wilson, at the apex of his power seemed ready to use it.

Discuss this moment in time, and the seemingly invincible power/influence Wilson possessed.
No, of course not. Next question. Washington helped create the position. Jefferson doubled the size of the country. Lincoln kept the country together and started the process to free millions from bondage.

Wilson helped win a war and then went rocketing forward to lose the peace and create Part II of the same war.
 
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Regardless of what the sign says, there is no Free Lunch. Everything costs something, and most of the world has long adopted tokens representing value. The invention of paper money in China, saved us from lugging sacks of gold to the grocery store, and established the need for confidence in the currency's value. When merchants began using letters of credit, trade became easier. Government leaders, kings for the most part until recent times, had two great problems, and one was finances.

Kings in Europe pretty much grew out of Warlords, competing with one another. Going to War wasn't cheap, and Feudalism was the typical answer. There wasn't a large supply of currency, so Kings struck their own and economies shared coinage. The King's coin might be sought after, or not, and most were pretty crudely struck. The National Treasury could be found in a chest beneath the monarch's bed. John Lackland collected gems, and lost the lot crossing a flooded river. So when a king needed money, he could tax the People who had lots of carrots, but no coin, or he could borrow from a few sources at high interest, or strike more coins of lesser value.

By the end of the 17th century, the Credit System we are all familiar with was the wave of the future. Want to build a raail road to carry coal, but don't have the cash, borrow on credit against the potential future earnings. People began to become fabulously wealthy sitting in the Coffee-shop doing nothing, while Sila's sells his labor and straw for almost nothing. Didn't seem right then, and to many doesn't seem right today. The system initially required that governments back their currency and credit with Gold, generally. When currency isn't backed by something of "real" value, it's issue can easily lead to inflation when the supply of money is increased. The means of keeping the money supply balanced has been the "independent Central Bank" that controls interest rates to dampen economic change while maintaining an annual growth rate of generally between 2 and 5%.

Andrew Jackson's contribution to Westward Expansion is the foundation of his reputation as President. His distrust of Englishmen, Banks an Bankers led him to kill the Congressionally Chartered Bank, headed at the time by Nicolas Biddle. The result was one of the Nation's earliest depressions as banks and other organizations issued their own "paper". The situation stabilized by the Treasury Department going on the Gold Standard. That limited the amount of currency available, so a strong popular movement to back the Dollar with Silver developed in the last quarter of the century. Ah, finally the Federal Reserve Act that has been fundamental to building one of the Worlds Great Economies.
 
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Everything seemed to be going well. After a very productive first term that successfully brought in landmark legislation that still resonates today, President Wilson, in his second term, was on his way to Europe to broker post war resolutions that would have global consequences.

The United States had been the decisive factor in turning the tide in the stalemate in Europe, now the great statesman, Woodrow Wilson, at the apex of his power seemed ready to use it.

Discuss this moment in time, and the seemingly invincible power/influence Wilson possessed.
Wilson also segregated the federal workforce and screened the Granddaddy or mother of all political movies " Birth of a Nation " at the White House in 1915 thus endorsing the Ku Klux Klan who where the good guys in that movie.
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