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Recent migrant crisis and German reactions on this crisis made me wonder If Germans are the people who naturally tend towards extremism and simply it is not in their national character to take moderate stance in any situation.

Lets look back into history.

Germanic barbarians after becoming christian started converting by force other tribes into chritianity, giving no other choice to their victrims but only babtise or die. They started mass killing in the name of God first the other Germanic tribes (for example what Franks did with Saxons) and next after there was no more Germans they did it with western Slavs and Balts.

After few hundrieds years a fellow German named Luther invented new extreme ideology - protestantism. Because of this new extremism hundrieds thousands of people if not millions died in Germany during the next century. From paesant insurgents till the end of 30 Years War, people are being murdered, tortured, killed in fight, women are being ....., cities are being razed... all this because Martin Luther has written few books with his ideas.

Next comes German nationalism which also goes up to extreme stance, making Germans ubermensch while members of all other nations inferior. Nationalistic ideas were present in many countries all over the world in the same time but only in Germany they were developed to such a extreme point.

When nationalism was feeling well there comes other Germans who invent "communism" and develop their ideas into complex theory, written in many books by Marx and Engels. Like in everything before, German communism is also extreme.

In response to German communism comes German national socialism, an eclectic ideology coming from mixture of German nationalism, racism and communism. In the name of this ideology Germans again kill the people, this time in numbers even greater than before.

Next after 50 years from a war, Germans goes from one extremism to the other. It is the part of the same axis but on the other end of it.


Racial Purity -------------------------------------------------- Multiculturalism


From one extremism straight the the other - the same one but of opposite value.

Because of this extremist stance which the Germans always take, they consider all the moderate thinking people to be inferior and stupid. From their extreme positions the world looks simple - it is black and white. Whoever shares German extreme attitude is good, whoever got different opinion or is too moderate - is bad.

Because of their bad experiences with their own extreme nationalism and extreme racism they started to think that internationalism and multiculturalism is the best cure for their old problems while they want to replace again one extremism with other. Thats from come their idea of European Federation or United States of Europe.

Two months ago all the Germans were so enthusiastic about all the "refugees" and wanted to help them all, doesnt matter where from they came and who they are. German media and auto-censorship were so fast to call a nazist and racist anyone who had doubts about rationality of German policy.... thousands of Germans was waiting at railways stations to greet the immigrants.
Now after last incidents from new years night we can observe Germans changing their attitude, most likely to opposite extreme, from loving all the refugess to hate all the immigrants.



Somtimes I start to think that as Umberto Eco did write, there is simply too much geist in German national character.

The German lives in a state of perpetual intestinal embarrassment due to an excess of beer and those pork sausages on which he gorges himself.


They fill their mouths with their Geist, which means spirit, but it’s the spirit of the ale, which stultifies them from their youth .........

They think themselves profound because their language is vague – it does not have the clarity of French, and never says exactly what it should, so that no German ever knows what he meant to say, and mistakes this uncertainty for depth. With Germans, as with women, you never get to the point.....
 
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Recent migrant crisis and German reactions on this crisis made me wonder If Germans are the people who naturally tend towards extremism and simply it is not in their national character to take moderate stance in any situation.
These extremist Germans have given more than 1 million refugees or migrants a home in the last year and who knows who will come this year. An average German city had recieved more refugees like countries as Poland or the Czech republic!

Lets look back into history.

Germanic barbarians after becoming christian started converting by force other tribes into chritianity, giving no other choice to their victrims but only babtise or die. They started mass killing in the name of God first the other Germanic tribes (for example what Franks did with Saxons) and next after there was no more Germans they did it with western Slavs and Balts.
maybe you remember persecution of christians by the Romans and persecution of pagans by them. It was not Germanic barbarism that created a forced baptism, but the monotheism of christianity that was responsible. And as well crusades are no Germanic phenomenon, but a european.

After few hundrieds years a fellow German named Luther invented new extreme ideology - protestantism. Because of this new extremism hundrieds thousands of people if not millions died in Germany during the next century. From paesant insurgents till the end of 30 Years War, people are being murdered, tortured, killed in fight, women are being ....., cities are being razed... all this because Martin Luther has written few books with his ideas.
protestantism is no extreme ideology. Luther as well did not invent it. There were older reformers, Wyclif in Britain, Hus in Bohemia. Luther as well did not want to found a new religion or confession. he wanted to reform catholicism. The unwillingness of the church in rome avoided the demanded changes and that led to the start of a new confession. It is absolute nonsense, that these "extremist ideology" led to murder, torture. It was a struggle for power inside the HRE, supported by several foreign countries, willing to lessen the power of the HRE and the emperor and the pope.

Next comes German nationalism which also goes up to extreme stance, making Germans ubermensch while members of all other nations inferior. Nationalistic ideas were present in many countries all over the world in the same time but only in Germany they were developed to such a extreme point.
The next wrong claim. German nationalism wan't bigger than in other countries, led to no more "übermenschentum". Look what other countries committed during colonisation. Germany's nationalism was small. Nationalistic parties were marginal, untill the economical crisis in the 1930s. Here poverty and national humiliation after WWI led the Nazis get power.

When nationalism was feeling well there comes other Germans who invent "communism" and develop their ideas into complex theory, written in many books by Marx and Engels. Like in everything before, German communism is also extreme.
Macchiavelli, Konfucius or many more wrote"extremist" ideas too. And communism is not an extremist odea to slaughter millions. It is an idea to protect those, who are exploited by their rulers, their company leaders. What you call "extremism" is rather Bolshevism and not German. Marx and Engels as well were jewish. I think your theory is weird anyway, but maybe you try to explain us, why no even jews are of Germanic barbarism. Or is it a infectious desease, Germanism?

In response to German communism comes German national socialism, an eclectic ideology coming from mixture of German nationalism, racism and communism. In the name of this ideology Germans again kill the people, this time in numbers even greater than before.
nationalsocialism is no response to communism and fascist regime existed all over europe, fascist organisations existed even in the UK or the USA.

Next after 50 years from a war, Germans goes from one extremism to the other. It is the part of the same axis but on the other end of it.


Racial Purity -------------------------------------------------- Multiculturalism


From one extremism straight the the other - the same one but of opposite value.
A racism is extremism, multiculti is extremism, liberal or central politics probably is a german extremism, too?

Because of this extremist stance which the Germans always take, they consider all the moderate thinking people to be inferior and stupid. From their extreme positions the world looks simple - it is black and white. Whoever shares German extreme attitude is good, whoever got different opinion or is too moderate - is bad.
this is rather a racist look on Germans!

Because of their bad experiences with their own extreme nationalism and extreme racism they started to think that internationalism and multiculturalism is the best cure for their old problems while they want to replace again one extremism with other. Thats from come their idea of European Federation or United States of Europe.
Multi-culti is favoured by lots of Germans, by some even due to our NS history. But not all Germans like multi-culti and a small numer even dislikes it. To call desires to create a federal european state an intention of German extremism is absolute nonsense. It is the wish to live in peace with its neighbours.

Two months ago all the Germans were so enthusiastic about all the "refugees" and wanted to help them all, doesnt matter where from they came and who they are. German media and auto-censorship were so fast to call a nazist and racist anyone who had doubts about rationality of German policy.... thousands of Germans was waiting at railways stations to greet the immigrants.
Now after last incidents from new years night we can observe Germans changing their attitude, most likely to opposite extreme, from loving all the refugess to hate all the immigrants.
Germans weren't enthusiastic. We are no monolithic bloc. A lot were willing to help refugees, who died in the med, on the balkans, they saw children starving and freezing and wanted to help. You can call it extremism, if you like. When the refugees were here, many help to supply the refugees. But there were always lots of people who critizised these politics, warned or even rejected it. German media and a common auto-censorship indeed exist. But that is no German phenomenon.

Somtimes I start to think that as Umberto Eco did write, there is simply too much geist in German national character.
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The German lives in a state of perpetual intestinal embarrassment due to an excess of beer and those pork sausages on which he gorges himself.


They fill their mouths with their Geist, which means spirit, but it’s the spirit of the ale, which stultifies them from their youth .........

They think themselves profound because their language is vague – it does not have the clarity of French, and never says exactly what it should, so that no German ever knows what he meant to say, and mistakes this uncertainty for depth. With Germans, as with women, you never get to the point.....
That's racism!
 
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These extremist Germans have given more than 1 million refugees or migrants a home in the last year and who knows who will come this year. An average German city had recieved more refugees like countries as Poland or the Czech republic!

Well, there is already 1 milion of Ukrainians in Poland and hundrieds thousands in Czech Republic and Slovakia. Many of them are not economic migrants but real refugees from Donbass and Donetsk.


maybe you remember persecution of christians by the Romans and persecution of pagans by them. It was not Germanic barbarism that created a forced baptism, but the monotheism of christianity that was responsible. And as well crusades are no Germanic phenomenon, but a european.

Indeed... there were also others who were crusaders but only Germans managed to erase from maps and history the whole nations and cultures. It was before Germans started to practice multi-culti.

protestantism is no extreme ideology. Luther as well did not invent it. There were older reformers, Wyclif in Britain, Hus in Bohemia. Luther as well did not want to found a new religion or confession. he wanted to reform catholicism. The unwillingness of the church in rome avoided the demanded changes and that led to the start of a new confession. It is absolute nonsense, that these "extremist ideology" led to murder, torture. It was a struggle for power inside the HRE, supported by several foreign countries, willing to lessen the power of the HRE and the emperor and the pope.

Mass slaughter of Germans and destruction of Germany was a direct effect of adopting Lutheranism. Was it extreme or wasnt, the Germans introduced it in a very extreme way. Communism also wasnt propagating killing people but it doesnt change the fact that its introduction led to deaths of millions. Germans just take every ideology in a very extreme way.


The next wrong claim. German nationalism wan't bigger than in other countries, led to no more "übermenschentum".

Oh yes it was. It were German official scientists working on best German universities developing theories about national and racial supremacy of Germans. Nowhere else racism and nationalism had such a strong scientific background which combined with German romanticism and the music of Wagner led to the ideology of national socialism and mass murder.



Macchiavelli, Konfucius or many more wrote"extremist" ideas too. And communism is not an extremist odea to slaughter millions.

Yes there were in the history many philosophers and political thinkers however all the theories becomes really dangerous when they are being adopted into life in the childish and extreme ways.


Marx and Engels as well were jewish. I think your theory is weird anyway, but maybe you try to explain us, why no even jews are of Germanic barbarism. Or is it a infectious desease, Germanism?

In the cultural sense they were Germans, they wrote in German, think in German and their works were best sellers in Germany.


To call desires to create a federal european state an intention of German extremism is absolute nonsense. It is the wish to live in peace with its neighbours.

So do you mean that there is no way to live in peace with the Germans as long as they got their separate state?
 
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A good example of German way of thinking were the incidents in Poland few years ago when hundrieds of German leftists, dressed in black, masked and armed invaded Poland during independence day and started to attack "Polish fascists", nationalists and normal people who took part in the independence day parade.

Germans love peace so much that they are ready to fight for it in every country ! ;) And they hate nationalists so much that will beat all of them, even if they are not German, or are a mother with children on patriotic march.

Isint it childish and extreme?

Once in Warsaw, this German army of self-proclaimed ‘anti-fascists’ violently attacked not only the hitherto peaceful demonstrators, but astonishingly, anyone wearing a Polish flag, which obviously on Independence Day included many random Poles who had nothing to do with the demonstration.



http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/92-germans-held-in-polish-independence-day-clashes/102663/


http://name-video.beforeitsnews.com...rman-anti-fascists-invade-poland-1361815.html
 
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Recent migrant crisis and German reactions on this crisis made me wonder If Germans are the people who naturally tend towards extremism and simply it is not in their national character to take moderate stance in any situation.

Lets look back into history.

Germanic barbarians after becoming christian started converting by force other tribes into chritianity, giving no other choice to their victrims but only babtise or die. They started mass killing in the name of God first the other Germanic tribes (for example what Franks did with Saxons) and next after there was no more Germans they did it with western Slavs and Balts.

After few hundrieds years a fellow German named Luther invented new extreme ideology - protestantism. Because of this new extremism hundrieds thousands of people if not millions died in Germany during the next century. From paesant insurgents till the end of 30 Years War, people are being murdered, tortured, killed in fight, women are being ....., cities are being razed... all this because Martin Luther has written few books with his ideas.

Next comes German nationalism which also goes up to extreme stance, making Germans ubermensch while members of all other nations inferior. Nationalistic ideas were present in many countries all over the world in the same time but only in Germany they were developed to such a extreme point.

When nationalism was feeling well there comes other Germans who invent "communism" and develop their ideas into complex theory, written in many books by Marx and Engels. Like in everything before, German communism is also extreme.

In response to German communism comes German national socialism, an eclectic ideology coming from mixture of German nationalism, racism and communism. In the name of this ideology Germans again kill the people, this time in numbers even greater than before.

Next after 50 years from a war, Germans goes from one extremism to the other. It is the part of the same axis but on the other end of it.


Racial Purity -------------------------------------------------- Multiculturalism


From one extremism straight the the other - the same one but of opposite value.

Because of this extremist stance which the Germans always take, they consider all the moderate thinking people to be inferior and stupid. From their extreme positions the world looks simple - it is black and white. Whoever shares German extreme attitude is good, whoever got different opinion or is too moderate - is bad.

Because of their bad experiences with their own extreme nationalism and extreme racism they started to think that internationalism and multiculturalism is the best cure for their old problems while they want to replace again one extremism with other. Thats from come their idea of European Federation or United States of Europe.

Two months ago all the Germans were so enthusiastic about all the "refugees" and wanted to help them all, doesnt matter where from they came and who they are. German media and auto-censorship were so fast to call a nazist and racist anyone who had doubts about rationality of German policy.... thousands of Germans was waiting at railways stations to greet the immigrants.
Now after last incidents from new years night we can observe Germans changing their attitude, most likely to opposite extreme, from loving all the refugess to hate all the immigrants.



Somtimes I start to think that as Umberto Eco did write, there is simply too much geist in German national character.

ok you are obviously using too many stereotypes about Germans but i admit that Germans are often too much pro-immigration and too much for multiculturalism. I live in Germany and my parents were both immigrants and i am not even born here but even for me it is too much and Germans should be more careful.
 
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These extremist Germans have given more than 1 million refugees or migrants a home in the last year and who knows who will come this year. An average German city had recieved more refugees like countries as Poland or the Czech republic!

That's precisely the OP's point..... Extreme in everything, including in taking in refugees
 
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Now this is what I call a thread! I'd suggest reading Taylor's history of the Germans and Caroll Quigley's opinion of them. As for today I've heard fürher Merkel is in a füror for das cologne attacks.
 
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Recent migrant crisis and German reactions on this crisis made me wonder If Germans are the people who naturally tend towards extremism and simply it is not in their national character to take moderate stance in any situation.

Lets look back into history.

Germanic barbarians after becoming christian started converting by force other tribes into chritianity, giving no other choice to their victrims but only babtise or die. They started mass killing in the name of God first the other Germanic tribes (for example what Franks did with Saxons) and next after there was no more Germans they did it with western Slavs and Balts.

After few hundrieds years a fellow German named Luther invented new extreme ideology - protestantism. Because of this new extremism hundrieds thousands of people if not millions died in Germany during the next century. From paesant insurgents till the end of 30 Years War, people are being murdered, tortured, killed in fight, women are being ....., cities are being razed... all this because Martin Luther has written few books with his ideas.

Next comes German nationalism which also goes up to extreme stance, making Germans ubermensch while members of all other nations inferior. Nationalistic ideas were present in many countries all over the world in the same time but only in Germany they were developed to such a extreme point.

When nationalism was feeling well there comes other Germans who invent "communism" and develop their ideas into complex theory, written in many books by Marx and Engels. Like in everything before, German communism is also extreme.

In response to German communism comes German national socialism, an eclectic ideology coming from mixture of German nationalism, racism and communism. In the name of this ideology Germans again kill the people, this time in numbers even greater than before.

Next after 50 years from a war, Germans goes from one extremism to the other. It is the part of the same axis but on the other end of it.


Racial Purity -------------------------------------------------- Multiculturalism


From one extremism straight the the other - the same one but of opposite value.

Because of this extremist stance which the Germans always take, they consider all the moderate thinking people to be inferior and stupid. From their extreme positions the world looks simple - it is black and white. Whoever shares German extreme attitude is good, whoever got different opinion or is too moderate - is bad.

Because of their bad experiences with their own extreme nationalism and extreme racism they started to think that internationalism and multiculturalism is the best cure for their old problems while they want to replace again one extremism with other. Thats from come their idea of European Federation or United States of Europe.

Two months ago all the Germans were so enthusiastic about all the "refugees" and wanted to help them all, doesnt matter where from they came and who they are. German media and auto-censorship were so fast to call a nazist and racist anyone who had doubts about rationality of German policy.... thousands of Germans was waiting at railways stations to greet the immigrants.
Now after last incidents from new years night we can observe Germans changing their attitude, most likely to opposite extreme, from loving all the refugess to hate all the immigrants.



Somtimes I start to think that as Umberto Eco did write, there is simply too much geist in German national character.

The folks who are being called Nazis are the folks who are calling for refugees to be rounded up and sent to concentration camps. I have not seen the main politicians or even the mainstream media labeling folks who are moderately critical of Germany's stance on refugees as "nazis".


If for example black people have more rights then white people, that would not be multiculturalism, that would be racism. Folks should not confuse equality and tolerance with racism, and certainly some folks who are critical of the so called left have confused racism with equality.
 
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I think this thread is generalizing a lot... Germany is a large country with a large population... there are problems, but I doubt it's going to be helpful to the situation to start labelling Germans in their entirety as racist or extremists etc,. Every country has gone through periods where extreme ideologies have taken over... every single one. Does that make the people in their entirety extreme? Ofcourse not, it's a preposterous thought.
 
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I think this thread is generalizing a lot... Germany is a large country with a large population... there are problems, but I doubt it's going to be helpful to the situation to start labelling Germans in their entirety as racist or extremists etc,. Every country has gone through periods where extreme ideologies have taken over... every single one. Does that make the people in their entirety extreme? Ofcourse not, it's a preposterous thought.

Ofcourse Im generalising but... the Germans generalise too and recently they generalise a lot. Their goverment and their media during last year were generalising way more than anyone in Europe.

Right now German politicians and media are "generalising" that democracy in their neughbour country Poland is threatened by fascist - nationalist goverment. The press in Germany is panicking and every newspaper complaints about hostile regime ruling Poland.
 
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