As we all know, there are are a number of possible heirs of the English monarchs, due to various usurpations and different possible inheritance rules. Today, writing post number 16 at this discussion: Henry IV of England – Usurper or Saviour? . I thought of another possible line of heirs of the Plantagenet Dynasty.
As we all know, when someone commits treason and trys to overthrow a monarch, the results can vary drastically. If they are successful, then as Sir John Harington (1561-1612) wrote:
Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
Why, if it prosper, none dare call it treason.
John Harington (writer) - Wikiquote
But I at least dare call it treason if it happened long ago and far away.
And if treason fails a traitor can be punished up to being executed, and their descendants can have their property confiscated and lose all right they might have to the throne. So as a general rule, whenever treason is successful, loyalists to the old regime can claim that the old regime is still the right regime, and that the descendants of the traitors lose all right to the throne.
in 1326-27, there was very successful treason in England, when Edward II was deposed by his wife Queen Isabella and her friend Roger Mortimer, and forced to abidcate, and Edward II and Isabella's son Edward III was made king. Some people might wonder if, or how much, Edward III was guilty of treason. He was 14 years old, and he was probably just a guest or prisoner of his mother and Mortimer. But Isabella was clearly guilty of treason, and so lost all right to the English crown she had.
And of course Isabella did have some sort of claim to the English throne. Her great great great grandfather King Philip II Augustus of France was descended from William the Conqueror and from his wife Matilda, who was descended from King Afred the Great of the Anglo-Saxons.
https://www.genealogics.org/pedigre...EO&parentset=0&display=standard&generations=6
And Isabella's own ancestor chart:
https://www.genealogics.org/pedigre...EO&parentset=0&display=standard&generations=8
Shows she was descended from more recent English kings. For example, she was descended from King Stephen, and from Henry I, Empress Matilda, and King Henry II. Henry II's daughter Eleanor was the mother of Blanche of Castile, mother of Louis IX of France, father of Philip III, father of Philip IV, father of Isabella. And Empress Matilda's mother Edith/Matilda of Scotland was the niece of Edgar the Aetheling, the last Anglo-Saxon King of England. If dozens of people had died suddenly Isabella could have become the heir to England in her own right.
Anyway, some people could believe that the usurpration by Isabella and Mortimer to make Edward III king of England makes Edward III and his heirs ineglible to become monarchs of England.
to be continued.L
As we all know, when someone commits treason and trys to overthrow a monarch, the results can vary drastically. If they are successful, then as Sir John Harington (1561-1612) wrote:
Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
Why, if it prosper, none dare call it treason.
John Harington (writer) - Wikiquote
But I at least dare call it treason if it happened long ago and far away.
And if treason fails a traitor can be punished up to being executed, and their descendants can have their property confiscated and lose all right they might have to the throne. So as a general rule, whenever treason is successful, loyalists to the old regime can claim that the old regime is still the right regime, and that the descendants of the traitors lose all right to the throne.
in 1326-27, there was very successful treason in England, when Edward II was deposed by his wife Queen Isabella and her friend Roger Mortimer, and forced to abidcate, and Edward II and Isabella's son Edward III was made king. Some people might wonder if, or how much, Edward III was guilty of treason. He was 14 years old, and he was probably just a guest or prisoner of his mother and Mortimer. But Isabella was clearly guilty of treason, and so lost all right to the English crown she had.
And of course Isabella did have some sort of claim to the English throne. Her great great great grandfather King Philip II Augustus of France was descended from William the Conqueror and from his wife Matilda, who was descended from King Afred the Great of the Anglo-Saxons.
https://www.genealogics.org/pedigre...EO&parentset=0&display=standard&generations=6
And Isabella's own ancestor chart:
https://www.genealogics.org/pedigre...EO&parentset=0&display=standard&generations=8
Shows she was descended from more recent English kings. For example, she was descended from King Stephen, and from Henry I, Empress Matilda, and King Henry II. Henry II's daughter Eleanor was the mother of Blanche of Castile, mother of Louis IX of France, father of Philip III, father of Philip IV, father of Isabella. And Empress Matilda's mother Edith/Matilda of Scotland was the niece of Edgar the Aetheling, the last Anglo-Saxon King of England. If dozens of people had died suddenly Isabella could have become the heir to England in her own right.
Anyway, some people could believe that the usurpration by Isabella and Mortimer to make Edward III king of England makes Edward III and his heirs ineglible to become monarchs of England.
to be continued.L
