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1) Not, while it's ocvupying Palestinian lands.
Israeli territory belongs to Israel. While the country has been over expanding its borders illegally, there is a core area that is considered legally Israel by the international community. Again, the country isn't going anywhere. While its policies have been justly criticized, it is recognized as a sovereign and valid state and functions as one.

2) You think the occupations a justifiable cause?
No, but neither is the opposite when it involves killing innocent people.
 
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Show me where I called you disgusting for saying that the Palestinians have a right to defend themselves.
It was impled. Besides, you said this:

And people who defend and justify mass murder of innocent people are disgusting.

Do you condemn the last Gaza massacre?
 
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Israeli territory belongs to Israel. While the country has been over expanding its borders illegally, there is a core area that is considered legally Israel by the international community. Again, the country isn't going anywhere. While its policies have been justly criticized, it is recognized as a sovereign and valid state and functions as one.

No, but neither is the opposite when it involves killing innocent people.
1) And there it is. You acknowledge that Israel is occupying land that belongs to other people under international law. Under international law, until they give up Palestine they are an occupying power and the Palestinians have a right to defend themselves. They've already stolen 78% of the land, and yet they're building settlements in the rest of it. They have no intention of giving up anything to the Palestinians. So what are the Palestinians supposed to do?

2) Killing civilians is a war crime.
 
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It was impled. Besides, you said this:

And people who defend and justify mass murder of innocent people are disgusting.

Do you condemn the last Gaza massacre?

And are you someone who defends and justifies mass murder of innocent people?
 
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1) And there it is. You acknowledge that Israel is occupying land that belongs to other people under international law. Under international law, until they give up Palestine they are an occupying power and the Palestinians have a right to defend themselves. They've already stolen 78% of the land, and yet they're building settlements in the rest of it. They have no intention of giving up anything to the Palestinians. So what are the Palestinians supposed to do?
Israel is a nation of nearly nine million, has one of the most developed economies and infrastructure in the Middle East, one of the best trained military forces in the world, and has contributed heavily to the development of the modern world. Functionally and demographically, it's more of a European nation than a Near Eastern one, and it is not going anywhere.

Is Israel occupying Palestinian land? Yes, no one disputes that, not even international law. International law also accepts that Israel is a country, while its neighbors do not.

The reality is that if Palestine is going to go anywhere, it needs to advocate and increase its presence on the international stage. Israeli policies against Palestine are known as illegal and inhumane and the country has been condemned for it. Palestine currently has a seat in the UN, so it is on its way to a sense of international recognition and support. They are the victims, but attacking innocents will not help.

2) Killing civilians is a war crime.
And ergo wrong. This shouldn't have to be debated.
 
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My God. You think they're all the same too?

They are just different sorts of s*it.
Since I do not support ..... and sharia, for me the difference between, say, Taliban, Hamas, Boko Haram, al-Nusra, PIJ, Muslim Brotherhood, Hezbollah, etc. is not essential.
 
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Israel is a nation of nearly nine million, has one of the most developed economies and infrastructure in the Middle East, one of the best trained military forces in the world, and has contributed heavily to the development of the modern world. Functionally and demographically, it's more of a European nation than a Near Eastern one, and it is not going anywhere.

Is Israel occupying Palestinian land? Yes, no one disputes that, not even international law. International law also accepts that Israel is a country, while its neighbors do not.

The reality is that if Palestine is going to go anywhere, it needs to advocate and increase its presence on the international stage. Israeli policies against Palestine are known as illegal and inhumane and the country has been condemned for it. Palestine currently has a seat in the UN, so it is on its way to a sense of international recognition and support. They are the victims, but attacking innocents will not help.

And ergo wrong. This shouldn't have to be debated.
1) I'm not sure why anything in your first paragraph is relevant.

2) You need to do your homework before coming to the debates. Now name one Israeli politicians who's recognized Palestine within it's borders as defined by international law.

3) Not fighting didn't help either. Palestine went to the UN to have it's state created just like Israel did, but the Americans blocked them at Netenyahu's request.

4) It's not being debated. I'm saying Palestine has a right to defend itself. That's all.
 
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They are just different sorts of s*it.
Since I do not support ..... and sharia, for me the difference between, say, Taliban, Hamas, Boko Haram, al-Nusra, PIJ, Muslim Brotherhood, Hezbollah, etc. is not essential.
You don't do nuance, huh? Then you probably shouldn't talk about islam.
 
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1) I'm not sure why anything in your first paragraph is relevant.
Israel is strong, powerful, and wealthy. Palestine isn't. The idea that Israel is just going to be gone one day for the Palestinian people to re-inhabit won't ever happen.

2) You need to do your homework before coming to the debates. Now name one Israeli politicians who's recognized Palestine within it's borders as defined by international law.
I never said Israeli politicians did; the fact that Israelis won't recognize Palestine and how Arab states won't recognize Israel is a major part of the problem.


3) Not fighting didn't help either. Palestine went to the UN to have it's state created just like Israel did, but the Americans blocked them at Netenyahu's request.
So bloodshed and attacking innocent people is the next logical progression of becoming a country?


4) It's not being debated. I'm saying Palestine has a right to defend itself. That's all.
As does Israel. All nations have the right to defend themselves.
 
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^The Palestinians should blame the Hamas and the Hezbollah for prompting Israel to construct that wall.
The violence and terror targeting Israel and Israelis is in no way proportional to the every-day violence. terror and power abuse used by Israel to sustain its military occupation. The Palestinians tried non-violent protest during the late 80's/early 90's, but Israel responded with deportations, brute force and torture. Today it's more acceptable to shoot them or subject them to settler terror, against which they cannot defend. Furthermore, Israel helped to create Hamas in the 80's and its policies willingly keep Hamas in power. Many Palestinians would like to see Hamas gone, just as Israelis do. The situation is just not as simple as your simplifications suggest.
 
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No answer. Concession accepted.

It's plain as day that I'm not conceding anything. :deadhorse:

You remain elusive. You've intentionally avo avoided the questions I've posed to you. I see no further reason to communicate with you.

Have a nice life.
 
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The violence and terror targeting Israel and Israelis is in no way proportional to the every-day violence. terror and power abuse used by Israel to sustain its military occupation. The Palestinians tried non-violent protest during the late 80's/early 90's, but Israel responded with deportations, brute force and torture. Today it's more acceptable to shoot them or subject them to settler terror, against which they cannot defend. Furthermore, Israel helped to create Hamas in the 80's and its policies willingly keep Hamas in power. Many Palestinians would like to see Hamas gone, just as Israelis do. The situation is just not as simple as your simplifications suggest.

Yet, as recently as 2006, Hamas was victorious in elections.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_legislative_election,_2006

And the below article is more recent, it's from 2014.

"Palestinian Support for Hamas Soars After Israel War, as Fatah Loses Backing"

https://news.vice.com/article/palestinian-support-for-hamas-soars-after-israel-war-as-fatah-loses-backing
 
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Israel is strong, powerful, and wealthy. Palestine isn't. The idea that Israel is just going to be gone one day for the Palestinian people to re-inhabit won't ever happen.

I never said Israeli politicians did; the fact that Israelis won't recognize Palestine and how Arab states won't recognize Israel is a major part of the problem.

So bloodshed and attacking innocent people is the next logical progression of becoming a country?

As does Israel. All nations have the right to defend themselves.
1) What are you talking about? What doe Israels strength have to do with this.

2) The Palestinians already recognized Israel, even though they have no moral or legal obligation to. Israels the one not recognizing the rights of other people.


3) You're dodgng the question. They tried going to the UN, they've tried calling for a boycott and they tried fighting to get 22% of their land back. What are they supposed to do in your opinion?
 
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Israel is strong, powerful, and wealthy. Palestine isn't. The idea that Israel is just going to be gone one day for the Palestinian people to re-inhabit won't ever happen.

I never said Israeli politicians did; the fact that Israelis won't recognize Palestine and how Arab states won't recognize Israel is a major part of the problem.

So bloodshed and attacking innocent people is the next logical progression of becoming a country?

As does Israel. All nations have the right to defend themselves.
1) What are you talking about? What doe Israels strength have to do with this.

2) The Palestinians already recognized Israel, even though they have no moral or legal obligation to. Israels the one not recognizing the rights of other people.


3) You're dodgng the question. They tried going to the UN, they've tried calling for a boycott and they tried fighting to get 22% of their land back. What are they supposed to do in your opinion?


4) Not when they're illegally occupying the Palestinians. Saying that Israel has a right to defend itself is like saying the Germans had the right to defend themselves from Jews in the Warsaw ghetto.
 
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