Are we living the end of history?

Futurist · Apr 20, 2020

Naomasa298 said:
Then you have no idea if it's authentic or not.

Fair enough. Maybe eventually I'll try visiting China--though the coronavirus experience is likely to deter me for quite a while even after this virus will indeed pass and recede into memory. Honestly, a good idea would be for me to ask actual Chinese people on Reddit and/or somewhere else about which southern California restaurants actually contain genuine Chinese food.

Futurist · Apr 20, 2020

duncanness said:
I don't know that they do. They eat whales. So do the Faroese and other Scandinavians. It is Americans who eat dolphins--not intentionally, but they (the dolphins, not the Americans) get tangled up in tuna catches.

Shouldn't the prudent thing to do be to remove dolphins from these tuna catches before actually killing the products of these catches and transforming them into food, though?

duncanness · Apr 20, 2020

Naomasa298 said:
Then you have no idea if it's authentic or not.

Couldn't he go to eat with someone who has lived in China and be guided?

Futurist · Apr 20, 2020

duncanness said:
Couldn't he go to eat with someone who has lived in China and be guided?

My best friend is actually a Chinese Jew. His mom is ethnically Chinese (originally from Wuhan, interestingly enough!) and his father is Jewish-American. He himself identifies as neither Chinese nor Jewish but rather as simply American, though by ancestry he's both Chinese and Jewish.

duncanness · Apr 20, 2020

Futurist said:
Shouldn't the prudent thing to do be to remove dolphins from these tuna catches before actually killing the products of these catches and transforming them into food, though?

Of course it would be sensible--but it would cut the profit margin. And what difference would it make to a carnivore? Just another meal. IMO the "prudent" thing would be to skip the whole business.

Futurist · Apr 20, 2020

duncanness said:
Of course it would be sensible--but it would cut the profit margin.

Are profits everything, though? Do businessmen and large corporations have no heart?

And what difference would it make to a carnivore? Just another meal. IMO the "prudent" thing would be to skip the whole business.

Dolphins are more intelligent than fish, no?

duncanness · Apr 20, 2020

Futurist said:
Are profits everything, though?

I was being sarcastic.

Futurist said:
Dolphins are more intelligent than fish, no?

Apparently they are--but that it immaterial to the point. Both are living animals and I wouldn't eat either. Some cannibals of old ate only those people who had some virtue that the eater wished to assume. Aren't you advocating rather the opposite? That it is ok to eat less intelligent animals?

Futurist · Apr 20, 2020

duncanness said:
I was being sarcastic.

Oh. I thought that you were talking about actual corporate mentality here.

Apparently they are--but that it immaterial to the point. Both are living animals and I wouldn't eat either. Some cannibals of old ate only those people who had some virtue that the eater wished to assume. Aren't you advocating rather the opposite? That it is ok to eat less intelligent animals?

I think that it's more acceptable to eat less intelligent animals than it is to eat more intelligent animals--just so long as this eating is done painlessly, of course. It's similar to why I believe that, say, human zygotes or human embryos should be given less rights than, say, human children or adult humans should.

Dan Howard · Apr 20, 2020

Futurist said:
I strongly beg to differ!

There is a pretty simple test. Take two identical meals, one freshly cooked, and the other heated in a microwave. Eat them both and compare flavor and texture.

Naomasa298 · Apr 20, 2020

duncanness said:
Couldn't he go to eat with someone who has lived in China and be guided?

There's one easy way to tell whether a place is authentic or not. Look at who's eating there and what language they're speaking.

If it's mostly Chinese people eating in a Chinese restaurant, it's likely to be authentic.

I've eaten in a couple of restaurants in London's Chinatown, one in the centre and one on the edge next to all the West End theatres. The first one was mostly Chinese and other Asian people, and as authentic Cantonese cuisine as you'll find anywhere. The other was mostly theatre-goers and about as authentic Chinese as hamburgers.

Naomasa298 · Apr 20, 2020

Futurist said:
I think that it's more acceptable to eat less intelligent animals than it is to eat more intelligent animals--just so long as this eating is done painlessly, of course. It's similar to why I believe that, say, human zygotes or human embryos should be given less rights than, say, human children or adult humans should.

Do you eat pork?

Futurist · Apr 20, 2020

Naomasa298 said:
Do you eat pork?

Yes, though I would feel much better about it if we could breed duller and especially significantly duller pigs.

Futurist · Apr 20, 2020

Naomasa298 said:
There's one easy way to tell whether a place is authentic or not. Look at who's eating there and what language they're speaking.

If it's mostly Chinese people eating in a Chinese restaurant, it's likely to be authentic.

I've eaten in a couple of restaurants in London's Chinatown, one in the centre and one on the edge next to all the West End theatres. The first one was mostly Chinese and other Asian people, and as authentic Cantonese cuisine as you'll find anywhere. The other was mostly theatre-goers and about as authentic Chinese as hamburgers.

A huge amount of the customers at Sam Woo Restaurant are either Chinese people or other Asian people based on my own observations.

Futurist · Apr 20, 2020

Dan Howard said:
There is a pretty simple test. Take two identical meals, one freshly cooked, and the other heated in a microwave. Eat them both and compare flavor and texture.

The former would certainly be better, but this doesn't necessarily mean that the latter would be bad. It's similar to living to age 115 versus living to age 100. The former would clearly be better, but the latter really wouldn't be that bad either.

VHS · Apr 20, 2020

Futurist said:
It's a reasonable deduction.

No, but I always wanted to try it before the coronavirus pandemic. Chinese food in China does appear to be much more "real" based on this, though:

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It's almost as if the Chinese stomach is the eighth wonder of the world! I mean, Chinese literally eat almost everything--well, some Chinese, at least.

I ate silkworms, giant water beetles, ragworms, softshell turtle, donkey in Guangzhou many years ago.
They think these are relatively "commonplace.
If Vandana Shiva was correct in Staying Alive, the Indians have utilized more species of plants than Europeans and North Americans do.

duncanness · Apr 20, 2020

Futurist said:
I think that it's more acceptable to eat less intelligent animals than it is to eat more intelligent animals

Once I had a little dog, Hedda, who was as sweet as you'd want and who was fiercely loyal (were I to be attacked by a wolf, I believe that Hedda would have come to my aid)--but not the brightest star in the firmament. Now I have only Maximus, who is a clever little dog who is capable of thinking a step ahead. Are you saying that it would be acceptable to eat Hedda but not Maxiumus? That stupidity is grounds for landing up on a menu?

Futurist · Apr 20, 2020

duncanness said:
Once I had a little dog, Hedda, who was as sweet as you'd want and who was fiercely loyal (were I to be attacked by a wolf, I believe that Hedda would have come to my aid)--but not the brightest star in the firmament. Now I have only Maximus, who is a clever little dog who is capable of thinking a step ahead. Are you saying that it would be acceptable to eat Hedda but not Maxiumus? That stupidity is grounds for landing up on a menu?

I think that eating Hedda would have been slightly less objectionable than eating Maximus, Yes--though I do think that it would have been objectionable to eat both of them considering that you groomed them to be your best friend as opposed to your dinner.

Dan Howard · Apr 20, 2020

Futurist said:
The former would certainly be better, but this doesn't necessarily mean that the latter would be bad. It's similar to living to age 115 versus living to age 100. The former would clearly be better, but the latter really wouldn't be that bad either.

The difference is far worse than that. A better analogy is living to the age of 115 versus living to the age of 40.

Futurist · Apr 20, 2020

Dan Howard said:
The difference is far worse than that. A better analogy is living to the age of 115 versus living to the age of 40.

I guess that we need to disagree there.

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