Britain's Greatest Foe, Ever: George Washington

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Well did the Germans take the UK? No, so we fared well, after the defeat of France and Churchill becoming PM.

Why would he kick me up the backside? Because I say Britain was at one point the greatest nation on earth? He agreed with me, he didn't run away to the US when the war started, he stayed in Britain.

The British empire on it's own could match the NAZI's or Japan, but not that the same time.

Which is why Churchill pleaded with Washington to aid them, hence Lend Lease was born. Without that assistance, Britain doesn't cream the Nazis, not even close.
 
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I have to agree with a few others that it seems like an odd choice. If the question is "Britain's greatest foe", as it says in the headline, I would think it should be Hitler. If the question is Britain's "most outstanding military opponent", as it says in the body of the article, I would think it should be Napoleon. As much as I have the greatest respect and admiration for George Washington, he was no match for Napoleon on the battlefield, IMHO.
 
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It should have been Hitler or Napoleon. George Washington and the Patriots weren't really threats to Britain directly, they just wanted independence.
 
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The George Washington debater won the day in the end. Not to take away the brilliance that was George Washington, but i don't think he deserves top.

A big part of our history and traditions are based around the napoleon era and napoleon himself. So my vote goes to him.
 
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Which is why Churchill pleaded with Washington to aid them, hence Lend Lease was born. Without that assistance, Britain doesn't cream the Nazis, not even close.

I wish you could insult people on this forum!!!!!!!!!

It's wasn't lend-lease, but cash and carry. Lend-lease was when the US entered the war. It help the US as much as it did Britain. Canada at that time was much more important.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cash_and_carry_(World_War_II)
 
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So the British empire wasn't a match for NAZI Germany?

Tell me something if Britain was capable of defeating Germany on her own, why did Churchill desperately want to bring the USA in? Why didn't Britain launch assaults on Europe on her own? Why couldn't Britain supply herself instead of asking for US aid?
 
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I see that what could have been an interesting debate has degenerated into parochial dummy spitting. :rolleyes:

Britains greatest foe? - arguably William of Normandy. He successully invaded and re-defined 'Britishness' forever.
 
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I have to agree with a few others that it seems like an odd choice. If the question is "Britain's greatest foe", as it says in the headline, I would think it should be Hitler. If the question is Britain's "most outstanding military opponent", as it says in the body of the article, I would think it should be Napoleon. As much as I have the greatest respect and admiration for George Washington, he was no match for Napoleon on the battlefield, IMHO.

Oddly enough, In a deadliest Warrior, Washington beat Napoleon.
 
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Tell me something if Britain was capable of defeating Germany on her own, why did Churchill desperately want to bring the USA in? Why didn't Britain launch assaults on Europe on her own? Why couldn't Britain supply herself instead of asking for US aid?

Yes, Britain was, like in WW1, our navy would have cut them off. Because the UK wanted US weapons production, that the UK couldn't do because it was being bombed. Britain did commando attacks and support freedom fighters in Europe. We all know the UK hasn't been able to feed itself for over 100 years.

Really you talk like the US saved Britain from been taken by the Axis.
 
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I see that what could have been an interesting debate has degenerated into parochial dummy spitting. :rolleyes:

Britains greatest foe? - arguably William of Normandy. He successully invaded and re-defined 'Britishness' forever.

No, long live normandy!!!!!!!!!!!!:notrust:
 
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I wish you could insult people on this forum!!!!!!!!!

It's wasn't lend-lease, but cash and carry. Lend-lease was when the US entered the war. It help the US as much as it did Britain. Canada at that time was much more important.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cash_and_carry_(World_War_II)

Sir, you STILL have not acknowledged that Winston Churchill asked for this aid, and so I will provide you WHY Churchill wanted this aid:

FDR had begun the long-term correspondence that developed into a close working friendship with Winston Churchill in early 1940 while Churchill was still first lord of the admiralty. The initial interaction was to encourage a neutral America to take a more active anti-Axis role.
In July 1940 newly appointed Prime Minister Churchill requested help from FDR, after Britain had sustained the loss of 11 destroyers to the German Navy over a 10-day period. Roosevelt responded by exchanging 50 destroyers for 99-year leases on British bases in the Caribbean and Newfoundland. A major foreign policy debate erupted over whether the United States should aid Great Britain or maintain strict neutrality.


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The plan was to "lend-lease or otherwise dispose of arms" and other supplies needed by any country whose security was vital to the defense of the United States. This Lend-Lease Act, proposed by FDR in January 1941 and passed by Congress in March, went a long way toward solving the concerns of both Great Britain's desperate need for supplies and America's desire to appear neutral. Secretary of War Henry L. Stimson told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee during the debate over lend-lease, "We are buying . . . not lending. We are buying our own security while we prepare. By our delay during the past six years, while Germany was preparing, we find ourselves unprepared and unarmed, facing a thoroughly prepared and armed potential enemy."

http://www.archives.gov/education/lessons/fdr-churchill/
Passages were in bold... obviously Churchill felt they couldn't "cream" the Nazis without US aid :zany:
 
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Sir, you STILL have not acknowledged that Winston Churchill asked for this aid, and so I will provide you WHY Churchill wanted this aid:

Passages were in bold... obviously Churchill felt they couldn't "cream" the Nazis without US aid :zany:

There is more than one way to skin a cat, I wasn't even talking about military victories.

But it was Churchill asking for help from a English speaking USA, that had used the British economic system to building the biggest economy in the world. So thus Britain creamed all. The British ideals.

I am willing to admit Britain need help and asked the US for it. But you must admit that it was Britains right to ask for it and the US's duty to give it. After the US was founded by Britain. The same hold true over the Falklands.
 
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I am willing to admit Britain need help and asked the US for it. But you must admit that it was Britains right to ask for it and the US's duty to give it. After the US was founded by Britain. The same hold true over the Falklands.

Our duty to give it? The same duty that obliged Britain to grant Canada its independence after its service during the World War? :lol:

No, it was our duty to FREE PEOPLES who were threatened by NAZIS to do it, to the Jews and political prisoners... not because a long time ago we were a colony of Britain. If that were the case, our debt was repaid in the FIRST World War when Britain was mired in stalemate.
 
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Our duty to give it? The same duty that obliged Britain to grant Canada its independence after its service during the World War? :lol:

No, it was our duty to FREE PEOPLES who were threatened by NAZIS to do it, to the Jews and political prisoners... not because a long time ago we were a colony of Britain. If that were the case, our debt was repaid in the FIRST World War when Britain was mired in stalemate.

Canada helped Britain in both world wars.

You are right is was your duty to help free peoples, you didn't, Britain and Canada did. It's not a debt, it's defence of the nation that gave you your language and ideals, that's what the Canadians understood, the Australian, the South Africa and New Zealanders, even the Indians.

The US wasn't slow in helping the UK in the 2nd opium war, but you took 2 years to join WW2 and 3 to join WW1. Wars Britain would and many say should have stayed out of, but didn't to defend those free peoples of Europe.
 

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