Did Europeans introduce metallurgy, wheeled vehicles and horses to China?

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Did all of these things come into the plains around the yellow river from outside? probably. Was it europeans? No because europe doesn’t really exist. It is an arbitrary construct. Besides, these people live in what we today call central asia. Not europe. Also, the horse came from the steppe and the wheel came from mesopotania. Not what we would call europe.
The IndoEuropeans invented the spoked wheel and axel. They also invented the bit, much superior to nose rings.
 
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Doesn't really say much since the Scythians were a continuum of all kinds of groups of people.

This is one of those times I'm just going to post a link and be glad at least no one can argue with me about his horse.
How a Sheltered Prince Became the Buddha: The Life of the Buddha

I realized after I wrote it that I might have been getting him confused with someone else. Prince Siddhartha was a Vedic Indian. At that time there were still a few of the old IEs still around. 1550293229448.png
 
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how does this make them europeans?and why not indian?or iranians?or central asians?

all these groups share same ancestors,so indians introduced axel and wheel to china is as appropriate as saying europeans did it.

besides such far back in history,these identities are meaningless anyway.
 
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Bharat
The logic here essentiall says: Every human is desended from monkeys, therefore all monkeys are human. The Afanasievo and Yamnaya are (Proto Indo Europeans)

Proto = something that comes before

Indo = India

Europe = Europe

They are not europeans they were the ancestors of europeans. They were also the ancestors of Iranians and many peoples in modern India and Central Asia.

The Sintashta and the Andronovo came much later and likely spoke Indo-Iranic languages.
a bit minor correction,human are great apes and descendent of apes not monkeys,i know its nothing to do with history but i am like this.
 
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I am not absolutely sure that China has actually invented anything! They seem to spend their entire life nicking secrets off anyone else in the world!
 
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The abode of the lord of the north
They came from Europe, were genetically European and were Indo-European linguistically/culturally. They migrated eastward and brought things like metallurgy and the wheel to China. The people in Central Asia today are partly descended from them but are not the same as them.
Metallurgy and Wheel existed in India prior to Indo-Europeanization. Why couldn't have they have been introduced to china in that time frame?
 
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The abode of the lord of the north
Buddha was a Scythian.
No. Scythians were 'Saka' while Buddha belonged to a tribe called 'Sakya', a kingdom located east of the ganges, probably under the suzerainty of the Nation-state Kosala. Sakas (Scythians) are portrayed as occupying regions to the north-west of modern day India, even by Scylax who visited during Buddha's time.
 
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The abode of the lord of the north
The IndoEuropeans invented the spoked wheel and axel. They also invented the bit, much superior to nose rings.
IE invention of spoked wheel may have been an inspiration rather than an independent invention. Indus valley people used spoked wheel before their Indo-Europeanization, however I don't know if hard-evidences have been found from there.

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