A comment on the phrase about gang members who happen to be children. In that case there are ... partners who happen to be children?
A comment on the phrase about gang members who happen to be children. In that case there are ... partners who happen to be children?
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The idea may seem attractive, especially thinking at those who never pay for their crimes: as said previously, we all like a Batman that unmistakably and relentlessly bring a "justice" that is never wrong and overcomes illegal protections.
However, in reality and most cases, vigilantism turns into violence and mob-rule:sometimes it is necessary to protect the community (like in Mexico against endemic violence on part of the cartels), but most times it degenerates into something worse.
Therefore, as one poster concisely said: "in my heart yes, in my mind no".
However, in reality and most cases, vigilantism turns into violence and mob-rule:sometimes it is necessary to protect the community (like in Mexico against endemic violence on part of the cartels), but most times it degenerates into something worse.
Therefore, as one poster concisely said: "in my heart yes, in my mind no".
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Yeah, as a lawyer I don't advocate that. But as a father I will kill anyone who will harm my daughters. There is no court of law for that. My hands is my justice for that.
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South American countries and the Philippines share that culture, and the "amor y amor propio" of the Iberian people who conquered and colonized us is deeply ingrained in our lives. Like my love for my children means death to those who shall harm them.
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Right, here in Manila children who are as young as seven and eight do have ... with one another in dark alleys. That was among the reason Duterte enforced that curfew against them.
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It is never great because it is a violation of the law. It is putting the law on your own hand and is very irrational.
But that is gratifying for anyone who is very passionate to take revenge. In territories where people are emotional like my own Philippines, vigilante system is an acceptable social demeanor for those who are attack by the perpetrator but that is never in keeping law, order and civility. Nothing is civil in that.
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It depends.
Depends on who enforces it
Depends on why is needed
Depends on How much is loose
Depends what happens when is no longer required
If the enforcer is a reliable state, it moves within certain laws, is used in Extreme cases and is terminated as soon as the Emergency is over than i would say Yes.
Think about Colombia at the time of Pablo Escobar. They were obtaining nothing till they went full vigilantes. And since they couldnt go full vigilantes themselves they had to have Someone else do the djrty job wich was like making a pact with the devil.
Or problems like Mafia or terrorism where you have to deal with people moving outside the laws while youre burdened by the laws themselves.
The drawback is that if such Power is held by Someone who is not trustworthy ( think Erdogan After the golpe ) than you end up in a problem bigger than the One you tried to solve.
So is mostly a problem of who when and why.
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Depends on who enforces it
Depends on why is needed
Depends on How much is loose
Depends what happens when is no longer required
If the enforcer is a reliable state, it moves within certain laws, is used in Extreme cases and is terminated as soon as the Emergency is over than i would say Yes.
Think about Colombia at the time of Pablo Escobar. They were obtaining nothing till they went full vigilantes. And since they couldnt go full vigilantes themselves they had to have Someone else do the djrty job wich was like making a pact with the devil.
Or problems like Mafia or terrorism where you have to deal with people moving outside the laws while youre burdened by the laws themselves.
The drawback is that if such Power is held by Someone who is not trustworthy ( think Erdogan After the golpe ) than you end up in a problem bigger than the One you tried to solve.
So is mostly a problem of who when and why.
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Aint that the reason why many people still believe in religion? God as the ultimate vigilante?
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Not at all, because those who truly believe submits themselves to the power of God. It is not for any human to kill his fellow, at least for Christianity. I don't know about the religion of death and blood thirsty god.
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Violation of the law if the law doesnt contemplate it. What about martial law? Aint that something close to that? In u.s. martial law is contemplated as a measure and used in emergencies but is not considered a failure of judicial system. Is considered an extreme measure to adopt in extreme situations where the ordinary system would not be able to be enforced
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I dont mean that you believe in god in order to feel entitled to kill in his name
I ment that many people believe in god cause it makes them feel good the idea that After death there is Someone who can right every wrong and enforce an ultimate justice that cant fail and that people cant escape from.
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Vigilante system is something that the public acts without the authority from the government. On the other hand martial law is the declaration of the state by virtue of its police power to enforce orderliness in the land. In the former the law is in the hands of the individual while in the latter the law is still under the control of the government authority, only that the civil rights of the people are suspended like the writ of habbeas corpus. While, it may appear that there will be failure of judicial system in declaration of martial law, but the enforcement of orderliness is still in the control of the government institution which is wanting in vigilante system.
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There goes the supremacy of god over humans which is where the secular supremacy of the law to all and non one is above the law, emanates.
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Ok of Intended that way i tend to agree. What i ment was the state acting using vigilantes methods wich would be consideredoutside the laws
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^For as long as the government is still democracy the state do not sponsor vigilante style but it is done by politicians, and if it is the state who does it, then it becomes authoritarian or tyrannic state. Like, here in the Philippines, those extrajudicial killings are not sponsored by the state because the perpetrator maybe brought to trial in courts of laws, but those killings done by say North Korean police which are not subject to court trial are those that are done by authoritarian leadership.
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This reminds me of peacekeepers.
Peacekeepers are usually foreign soldiers that serve and protect citizens of other countries, but their presence signifies the failure of the national or local security forces.
Vigilant forces, unfortunately, may degenerate into evil forces all too often!
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The failure of the governments or the judicial system merits a change in those systems, not an individual using their own sense of justice to enforce extrajudicial acts. All too often, vigilantes' sense of justice is inherently flawed or they lose sight of it, and they devolve into things like the KKK.
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