Favourite historical personage from your own country...

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Fireland
Reeves seemed to have more bona fide leftist credentials than his Liberal party colleague 'King ....' though he still co-sponsored the Immigrant Exclusion Bill and probably shared Seddon's views on Mauri rights, the 'yellow peril' and so on..

Why did Reeves refuse a knighthood three times I wonder?
 
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rangiora
I'm impressed Gile. Reeves is particularly obscure to foreigners since he was never head of state.
Reeves seemed to have more bona fide leftist credentials than his Liberal party colleague 'King ....' though he still co-sponsored the Immigrant Exclusion Bill and probably shared Seddon's views on Mauri rights, the 'yellow peril' and so on..
Well, they were products of their time to a large extent but agree the anti-chinese league was a particularly repugnant organisation which Seddon sponsored much to his eternal shame.

Why did Reeves refuse a knighthood three times I wonder?
Probably because he spent his whole life fighting privilege and to accept a peerage would have been sheer hypocrisy. (of course these days, it is slightly different - they give them to rock stars for crissakes.)
 
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Fireland
Probably because he spent his whole life fighting privilege and to accept a peerage would have been sheer hypocrisy. (of course these days, it is slightly different - they give them to rock stars for crissakes.)

Hey, don't knock Geldof .. at least he got off his arse and tried to do something (one of my other favourite 'personages' I should have mentioned). They could scarcely refuse him an OBE after all the fuss he made though if he rejected it subsequently I'd have been even happier. All that institutional patronage and social climbing is as alien to my psyche as it was to "Sir" Bob's.

Reeves on the whole looks a more admirable candidate though tough Lancashire roots and a displaced childhood probably moulded Seddon towards a more practical bent - which has it's own virtues; an imminently pragmatic politician I'd guess unswayed by too much ideology or fashionable liberal trends. Just the man to get the job done.

Yes, Reeves had a few more arrows in his sack it seems; LSE lecturer, poet, early 'environmentalist', circulated with the Fabians ..

APPENDIX II — The Passing of the Forest — A Lament for the Children of Tané | NZETC

No need to be impressed Bis ... I'm on the wiki spider (though NZ has always intrigued me, I'll admit).
 
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rangiora
Reeves on the whole looks a more admirable candidate though tough Lancashire roots and a displaced childhood probably moulded Seddon towards a more practical bent - which has it's own virtues; an imminently pragmatic politician I'd guess unswayed by too much ideology or fashionable liberal trends. Just the man to get the job done.
Earned his spurs on the West Coast gold and coal mines - no tougher environment in those days (comparable to the Wild West.) I guess there is much about him I dont like, but he was the right man for the job in the 1890's and he was a vociferous defender of NZ interests on the international stage.

His poetry is a little overblown, but an interesting historical document nonetheless. There's also a good biography of Seddon by James Drummond on that same site.

And Sir Bob is alright by me.
 
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Right now I'll say Jandamarra - an Aboriginal resistance fighter from the north west of Australia who was at large during the 1890's. He's rightly a source of pride for the Aborigines who live there today. Tragically, he's not well known across the continent.
 
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Izhevsk
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For me it is Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya. Some information from Wiki:

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Kosmodemyanskaya joined the
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komsomol"]Komsomol[/ame] in 1938. In October 1941, still a high school student in [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow"]Moscow[/ame], she volunteered for a partisan unit. To her mother, who tried to dissuade her from doing this, she answered "What can I do when the enemy is so close? If they came here I would not be able to continue living." Zoya was assigned to the partisan unit 9903 (Staff of the Western Front). Of the one thousand people who joined the unit in October 1941 only half survived the war. At the village of Obukhovo near Naro-Fominsk, Kosmodemyanskaya and other partisans crossed the front line and entered territory occupied by the [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany"]Germans[/ame]. They mined roads and cut communication lines. On November 27, 1941 Zoya received an assignment to burn the village of Petrischevo, where a German cavalry regiment was stationed.
In Petrischevo Zoya managed to set fire to horse stables and a couple of houses. However, one Russian collaborationist had noticed her and informed his masters. The Germans caught Zoya as she started to torch another house. She was tortured and interrogated throughout the night but refused to give up any information. The following morning she was marched to the center of the town with a board around her neck bearing the inscription 'Houseburner' and hanged.
Her final words were purported to be "Comrades! Why are you so gloomy? I am not afraid to die! I am happy to die for my people!" and to the Germans, "You'll hang me now, but I am not alone. There are two hundred million of us. You can't hang us all."
The Germans left Zoya's body hanging on the gallows for several weeks. Eventually she was buried just before the Soviet retook that territory in January 1942.
 
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Belgium
The most interesting historical persons from my country are the only royals of my country whom I respect.
Albert I and his wife Elisabeth were king and queen of Belgium during World War 1. During the entire war, the king fought besides his troops and shared in their hardships and was every time in the same danger as they were. During that time, his wife elisabeth worked as a nurse on the front.

Albert 1:
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Queen Elizabeth:

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USA, Milwaukee
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Some may call him nothing but a two bit pamphlatier but to me, there is no better explanation to religion past or preseant than The Age of Reason. It's hard to put his thoughts into his time period, I love this man.
 
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Minnesota
George Washington.

Where to begin?
No fair. I already nominated him...
However - to bolster your point. I'll repeat - George Washington was considered as one of the Greatest Men that ever lived - by his contemporaries; the Kings and Queens of Europe - including King George of England!
 
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Hertfordshire
From Jamaica, Sam Sharpe, the slave who rebelled in 1831, which indirectly led to full-scale abolition....

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From Britain, Granville Sharp, the man who started the anti-slavery movement at a time when it was not vogue to oppose slavery....

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Ottawa, Canada
As noted, Samuel De Champlain was well before Canada and French-but he explored and settled the French in Quebec, and to me he just seems like one of those figures that is Canadian and embodied what we would become.
 

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