Helena's "True" Cross

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Blachernai
Regardless of what one thinks of the unlikelihood of one particular instrument of Roman law surviving intact for three centuries, the mother of Constantine travelled to the Levant in the fourth century and supposedly found the "True" (which I put in quotation marks not to question its veracity, which is hardly worth the trouble, but rather because those in the Eastern Empire preferred to call it the "life-giving wood") Cross. Fragments claiming to be from this cross are scattered throughout the western world. I'm not interested in discussing the question of the cross itself, but rather its medieval travels. We know that the cross was taken by the Persians when they conquered Jerusalem in 614. This was subsequently recovered by Herakleios amid much fanfare, although there is an older scholarly opinion which suggests that Herakleios may have invented its return. Even if Helena's cross dates from the seventh century, what then became of it? We know it went to Constantinople, and was presumably scattered further after the crusader sack in 1204, but where did all the pieces go? Is there any evidence to support the idea that the fragments all came from one piece of wood, or are we looking at numerous fabrications? Relic fabrication was certainly practised in Byzantium, but the street-level con-men appear to have mostly dealt in the relics of minor or obscure saints, presumably because claiming to possess more important relics would bring them into conflict with the emperor, who nominally owned all the relics.
 
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If there are still pieces arround today and owners would agree with the sampling of these relics, science would be very much able to conclude if they are from one and the same piece of wood, as well as aging them.
 
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Wales
I had always understood that there was a large piece of this 7th Century cross left in Jerusalem, and that it was this that went on to become the totem for the Franks in setting up the Kingdom of Jerusalem. This of course is then lost in 1187 to Saladin and despite promises to return or being used as a negotiating piece 1187-1221 then disappears.
 
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Blachernai
I stumbled onto a relevant piece of the puzzle while doing research today. The fragments of Menander the Guardsman, a late 6th c. historian, are preserved in a 10th c. Byzantine text. The story he tells is that a priest from Apamea went to Jerusalem, and since his brother was bishop of Aelia, he managed to convince him to give him part of the cross. This was done, but the emperor heard about it and ordered it brought to the capital. Since the inhabitants of Apamea were prepared to defend the piece of the cross violently, the emperor decided to compromise and ordered the wood cut into two, with half of it going to Constantinople. This was done. Later, when Apamea was taken by the Persians, the piece was hidden. When it was eventually found again, it was sent on to Constantinople.
 
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La relique de la Vraie Croix. Recherches sur le développement d'un culte, Paris : Institut français d'études byzantines, 1961. (= The relic of True Cross. Investigations on the development of a cult) by Anatole Frolow, 1961, published by the French Institute of Byzantine Studies in Paris.

In this book, Anatole Frolow has registered a reference to a piece of the True Cross, which occurs either in primary sources, eg Fathers of the Church, either in secondary sources such as registers treasures churches inventories of movable objects ecclesiastical art metropolis, patriarchates, monasteries etc.

Frolow also offers in this book a picture of the distribution of the pieces of the Holy Cross in Europe , but also how crucial was the Holy Cross Byzantine Empire. By tracking and recording references to shrines of the Holy Cross, Frolow finds a very interesting distribution in time. From the fifth to the seventh century, Frolow found just fifty four reports . After the twelfth century , probably because of the Crusades and the return of the pilgrims from the Holy Land , the numbers increased somewhat dramatically.

162 references to the twelfth century and 260 in the thirteenth century. In examining these reports and researching the stavrothikes [cross cases] surviving until today , the assessment of Frolow is that most of the stavrothikes [cross cases] those who survive until today across Europe are later tenth century .
Anatole Frolow identified a total of 1150 references stavrothikes [cross cases] pieces Rood (= with True Cross pieces), but certainly after 1961 probably some other stavrothikes [cross cases] may have come to light, especially in Eastern Europe, eg Russia, where the author probably did not then full access to the sources.

As an example of such a reference book, stavrothiki [=cross case] the case with the cross piece of the True Cross hoarded in [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatopedi_monastery"]Vatopedi[/ame] Monastery Mount Athos and is used by the shrine as a background on its website bearing the number 886 with about one page description ( see pictures below).

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Stavrothiki [=cross case] with a piece of the True Cross and other relics, from [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Athos"]Holy Mount Athos[/ame] [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatopedi_monastery"]monastery of Vatopedi. [/ame]


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[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatopedi_monastery"]Vatopedi monastery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]


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The description of the above Stavrothiki [=cross case] in the book 'La relique de la Vraie Croix'.(page 571).

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The description the above Stavrothiki [=cross case] in the book (continued on page 572).

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Anywhere
Huh! I always thought that the kingdom of Jerusalem had the true until Saladin recaptured the city, I mean even i read that the queen of Georgia bought a piece from Saladin. And it comes to know if the spear of destiny is also real? Such interesting questions. And kinda like the Ark of the covenant is supposedly in Ethiopia, any questions about that?
 
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No-one had the true piece of the cross. The use of the descriptive rather infers the item is false to begin with, or at the very best case, is in competition with pieces of dubious provenance. I find it extremely unlikely that the cross JJesus was crucified on was correctly identitified and preserved at the time given the status of Jesus as a religious figure immediately after his announced death. In any case, the medieval period was notorious for religious icons being sold on and many a gullible christian was taken in. It's the same with cup of the last supper. A golden bejewelled marvel in the hands of preacher from a poor (or even monastic) background? The man didn't even have a steady job. Then there's the classic example of the defenders in Antioch at the end of the 11th century 'finding' the holy lance that had pierced the body of christ just when their morale and condition was about to fade. Yeah, okay...

In order for me to be convinced that any ancient piece of wood is from the actual cross Jesus got nailed to, someone is going to have to go to serious lengths. It's hardly plausible.

PS - I understand that despite common opinion the Museum of Israel in Jerusalem has evidence of iron nails used in crucifixion, a coincidential discovery because the nail had been distorted by a knot in the wood (long since gone) and could not be pulled and re-used. It seems then the lack of evidence is more to do with Roman resourcing and practice than lack of authenticity.
 
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Wales
Huh! I always thought that the kingdom of Jerusalem had the true until Saladin recaptured the city, I mean even i read that the queen of Georgia bought a piece from Saladin. And it comes to know if the spear of destiny is also real? Such interesting questions. And kinda like the Ark of the covenant is supposedly in Ethiopia, any questions about that?


Ultimately it doesnt matter too much if they are real, that they happen to be the the precise artifacts that they claim to be or if they are just a bit of old wood. What is important is that people believed them to be real, and how they acted and responded accordingly to that belief.

Incidentally in 1192 the Syrian Bishop of Lydda was in possession of a piece of the true cross which Saladin had let them keep.
 
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Holy Bones, Holy Dust by Charles Freeman is an interesting read on the history of religious relics.

In Holy Bones, Holy Dust, Freeman illustrates that the pervasiveness and variety of relics answered very specific needs of ordinary people across a darkened Europe under threat of political upheavals, disease, and hellfire. But relics were not only venerated—they were traded, collected, lost, stolen, duplicated, and destroyed. They were bargaining chips, good business and good propaganda, politically appropriated across Europe, and even used to wield military power. Freeman examines an expansive array of relics, showing how the mania for these objects deepens our understanding of the medieval world and why these relics continue to capture our imagination.
 
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I find this a fascinating topic and Freeman's book is a pretty good read. There are lots of reliquaries in this part of the world, I've seen a thorn from the original Crown and a splinter from the True Cross as well as numerous bits of saints' bodies. :)

There's a documentary that's been on Viasat a few times about the Titulum Crucis and Professor Carsten Thiede's attempts to authenticate it. The program ends with the carbon dating placing it around 1000-1100 AD and Thiede refusing to accept the results.

The Titulum Crucis was supposedly among the relics found by St Helena (after she had a local tortured to obtain info re; the whereabouts) and was later lost to history, until it resurfaced in the 15th Century in a hidden recess in the wall of (I think) a chapel.
 

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