Impact of Woodstock ('69) on American Culture.

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Well, it wasn't all negative.

Many good points follow

Thats true aswell, I suppose I can be to hard on the Baby boomers, I don't behave that differently from them if I am honest!

Can you please show me where you are getting your information?

No, I can't be bothered. I would suggest looking up issues such as the Pensions crisis and so on. It is quite clear, to me at least, that my generation will probably never get a state pension, or if we do, they will keep increasing the age (65, 70, 75, etc etc). The ageing population of Europe (and the US?) is alredy causing problems. Who is going to pay for this?
 
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Oh yeah?


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^^^ Look I just made art!

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All "Music" is, is art who's medium is sound.

Whether you like it or not, whether you think it is original or not, is irrelevant.

It's art as long as it appeals to a sense and evokes emotion.

I suppose. But when it sparks negative emotions, as Rap often does, I fail to she the articist value in it.

Jim
 
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Jim. I do not disagree with what rap often does.

But it is a legitimate form of art.

That doesn't mean that I think half of it is worth my time.
 
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Rap is a form of art. It is one of the very few things I can honestly say I hate.

The argument could be put that it isnt music but a similar argument could be given for the fact that it is.

I'm not calling fast talking over a drum beat music. But It's an art form, no doubt about it.
 
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Yep.

I would have to agree that the break down in society is in part due to the corrosive effect that the break down of the social unit of the family has produced. The sexual revolution was one of the worst things that could happen to America, or any other nation.

Though it has been plauded by mainstream political talking heads, liberal pundits on TV and most especially on college campuses, and know nothing, self energizing repeaters...it was a disaster on the grandest scale. There was nothing good that came out of it except confusion. No nation or people can survive this kind of error for long.

What school children these days are conditioned to do is to think automatically that the sexual revolution was good, and whenever some old fart like me says something bad about it that they are supposed to automatically attack. That is because our school sysytem has brainwhased two generations.

But that was not always so. There was a time when Americas youth had a descision to make and that was in the 1960s. The enticements of the dark side were presented with the ..., drug, rock and roll crowd. This generation of degenerates became the college professors and politicians that we have suffered with since the 1970s. ....... was one of such scum, but not the only one by far.

The liberal movement is just a small part of an older and more powerful dark force of ancient origins. The secret societies that have so much power in American political circles have an agenda towards removing America as far as possible from its Christian past. This is not openly taught, of course, in our school systems. But it is enforced and funded by the government.

So the kids of today that think that they are rebelling against a stuffy old status quo with thier lifestyles are ignorant of the facts that in so doing. Little do they know that are helping to bring about a return of our society to the ancient pagan, Celtic-Druid lifestyle of repressions, human sacrifice, and so on. That is where the liberal movement will eventually go when it has run its course. So be on your guard, young people.

The free love stuff from the 60s was nothing more than a return to animalism. There are many other aspects of our American mindset that thinks this way. If one acts like a beast, thinks like a beast, then one becomes a beast and should be controlled like a beast, and will be.

There was nothing to admire in the hippy philosophy of the day. I remember the hippies, and to be quite frank, they stank. They were so strung out on stuff that they just forgot to bathe. The biggest part of them probably had an STD of some kind, and these "Peace and Love" types would cut your throat for the money in your pocket when they got to needing a fix.

So, Music? Some of it was cool. Lifestyle of the hippies? Looser. Philosophy of the hippy movement? Extreme looserness.

BTW, check out the interview of college students on the campus of Berkley. They are asked some rudimentary questions, and they look like the idiots that they are when they cannot answer them. ..
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUybMMYmpxo"]YouTube - FILTHY HIPPIES EVERYWHERE! (Crowder Does UCBerkeley)[/ame]

But I bet every single one of them can regurgitate the leftist agenda that they are brain washed with. These folks who cannot answer simple questions will the be lawyers and teachers of the next 2 or 3 years. Of course, the most useless and helpless will probably go to work for the government as college professors, as per usual.

Rebellion is fun for a while, as long as it dont go too far. But there comes a time to grow up. Fortunately for me, I made it through my younger years with only moderate damage. Many are not so lucky. Just remember, young people, to be brave enough to say the truth when you get old, even in the face of immediate attacks. At least that way you will have ammounted to something.

But thats just my opinion. Im a crusty old fart and I dont care.
 
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Kids who try to act like "rebels" make me laugh. Lord, they need to learn that in the end no one will care.

I loved the music back then, pretty much nothing else. I will never do any drugs nor alcohol in my life (I have a phobia of not being able to control myself physically and mentally, and other reasons).

Rich, you may be a crusty ol fart but I agree. Heck crusty ol farts are way better than a bunch of arsehole teenagers. I've always gotten along better with adults.
 
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A tiny hamlet in the Carolina Sandhills
Kids who try to act like "rebels" make me laugh. Lord, they need to learn that in the end no one will care.

I loved the music back then, pretty much nothing else. I will never do any drugs nor alcohol in my life (I have a phobia of not being able to control myself physically and mentally, and other reasons).

Rich, you may be a crusty ol fart but I agree. Heck crusty ol farts are way better than a bunch of arsehole teenagers. I've always gotten along better with adults.

But that was the underpinning of Rock and Roll. If not about rebellion, then what?
 
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But that was the underpinning of Rock and Roll. If not about rebellion, then what?

Well it was mostly about love. Listen to 50's and early 60's music and its mostly about teenage romance. Even the Suffer and Dragster music, wasn't so much about the activity of surfing and driving fast cars recklessly, as it was about impressing the .... across the street.

Not until the counter culture revolution of the late 60's came about did Rock music divide into styles geared more towards protest. This happened as folk singers wrote songs that were closer to rock than traditional folk music.

Acid Rock wasn't rebellion as much as was about just having kicks.
In fact, many of the hippies, especially those in college, quickly began to moved away from acid rock and got more into Bob Dylan and such.

Myself, I did all of it, from the romance to acid then folk.

Eventually I ended up in country music, mostly in the 80's because it was more like the romance style of Rock.

Jim
 
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A tiny hamlet in the Carolina Sandhills
Horsehockey! The entire R&R lifestyle was based on rebellion. Ever heard of Rebel With a Cause? Remember when they wouldn't show Elvis below the waist? You can talk about the counter culture of the sixties, but the roots for that were in the 50s.
 
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Horsehockey! The entire R&R lifestyle was based on rebellion. Ever heard of Rebel With a Cause? Remember when they wouldn't show Elvis below the waist? You can talk about the counter culture of the sixties, but the roots for that were in the 50s.

No it was based on impressing ......

If you don't think so, what were all the ..... doing screaming when Elvis was on Ed Sullivan?

The late legend and R&R and Country songwriter Conway Twitty said it when asked what it took to be a successful songwriter. He said, write the song for
...... It didn't matter if it was Rebel Without a Cause or Little GTO. If ..... aren't interested it won't go anywhere.

Jim
 
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Horsehockey! The entire R&R lifestyle was based on rebellion. Ever heard of Rebel With a Cause? Remember when they wouldn't show Elvis below the waist? You can talk about the counter culture of the sixties, but the roots for that were in the 50s.


Yes! Let us not forget the beatnicks, who were the real hippies.

The 'Lost Generation' of the '20s puts anything that happened after WW2 to shame though, in my opinion. My view of the hippy generation is also somewhat influenced by how they all seemed to have grown up and sold out (by their terms) since then.

That said, there is alot of hate for 60s generation going on (including by me!), which is a little unfair may be. It had many good aspects, also, though I think that they and everyone else has never appreciated the fundamental selfishness and individualism of the movement.
 
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No it was based on impressing ......

Yes, but that was a narrower part of the overall rebellion. If it was just about ....., then why the drugs? Why did the ..... so like the James Deans or Elvis Presleys? There was something deeper at work.
 
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Yes, but that was a narrower part of the overall rebellion. If it was just about ....., then why the drugs? Why did the ..... so like the James Deans or Elvis Presleys? There was something deeper at work.


I think guys liked James Dean alot more then the ......
 
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Yeah, they (hippy leftist) were scumbags is right. Selfish and hard hearted and foolish to a fault. But I dont want to praise them too much. Thier social lowering effect goes on today among the weak minded.

When I rebelled, I at least knew what it was I was rebelling from. It was from old squares that wanted me to be a money hungry, backstabbing so and so. It was never against any religion of social order or any of the things that make society strong. It was from the plastic people. But I retained the old fashioned values of my grandfather where family was concerned. And too, I wanted to aquire a .....

Heres to dissing the plastic people...
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYwZ8I8wOGA"]YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.[/ame]
But you have to gain an ear of discernment. Not every song is wholesome. But the music was good though.

But, the rebellion of some of the 60s folks wasnt really a rebellion against greedy, plastic, back-stabbing so and sos as much as it was the unleashing of the primitive human desire to be a pig. Ill share a story with you.

I was fishing this past spring when a young white boy came slithering up to me and my grey haired cronies bumming smokes. He had the essence of "ganster rap" reeking from his aura. I could tell from his sagging pants, tatooes, backwards hat and ghetto attire (in the middle of the Tennessee wilderness) that this fellow was an ...... I didnt have long to wait for confirmation of this.

We began talking, and I realized how stupid this person was that I was talking to. But feeling sorry for him, I opened my mouth and began to open his eyes, as he had naturally assumed that the whole world thinks like he does. I showed him a different side of things, and I believe that he was shocked.

Anyway, he told me that he was cruising for some ***** .... to *****, and he further told me that his pregnant girlfriend was back at the trailer. I asked him why, if he already had a woman (and pregnant), did he want to get another one or two. I asked him if he was going to marry her, he said no. When he found another to shack up with for a while his plan was to abandon his pregnant girlfriend and unborn child. What a winner. I told him he was making a big mistake.

Well, after looking at me like I was from Mars, he explained to the old guy that it was what men did, to be with as many women as possible. And then he made some gangster gestures of some sort with his fingers and picked his nose and looked at me as if waiting for me to praise him.

I told him that this was the dummest thing I had ever heard, and that he should go back and marry his girlfriend and straigten up and be a man. He got nervous about then.

And then I started telling him about Church and he left right away.
And so, America is becomming more and more an intellectual wasteland, filled with persons with the wrong ideas. Liberal college professors are plastic people. Ask them to work without pay as a volunteer professor, and see how many start kicking. Or better yet, ask them to work for minimum wage like the rest of the nation. They wouldnt stand for it.

Hippy trash are plastic people, gangster rapper wannabes are plastic people, politicians are plastic people, lawyers are plastic people, and the list goes on. Im still rebelling against the plastic people. Wheres my Roadrunner? I need to make a statement!

I bet somebody out there is reading this and saying..."Who woke him up?"

I guess Im just too old and out of it to be hip anymore.
 
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Yaller Dawg
I could tell from his sagging pants,
hold it right there.

I just need to say.

If you wear your pants around your ankles do not ever come near me. It would not be good for your health.

That kids a moron. Being a man is sucking up to your responsibilities, and not *****ing out at the first sign of trouble. ESPECIALLY when a child of your seed is involved.

Thank god it was you talking to him.... I doubt I wouldve been able to restrain myself....

I hate kids like that, completley sickening.
 
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hold it right there.

I just need to say.

If you wear your pants around your ankles do not ever come near me. It would not be good for your health.

That kids a moron. Being a man is sucking up to your responsibilities, and not *****ing out at the first sign of trouble. ESPECIALLY when a child of your seed is involved.

Thank god it was you talking to him.... I doubt I wouldve been able to restrain myself....

I hate kids like that, completley sickening.

We are kindred spirits, my friend. Rock On!
 
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And then I started telling him about Church and he left right away.
And so, America is becomming more and more an intellectual wasteland, filled with persons with the wrong ideas. Liberal college professors are plastic people. Ask them to work without pay as a volunteer professor, and see how many start kicking. Or better yet, ask them to work for minimum wage like the rest of the nation. They wouldnt stand for it.

Hippy trash are plastic people, gangster rapper wannabes are plastic people, politicians are plastic people, lawyers are plastic people, and the list goes on. Im still rebelling against the plastic people. Wheres my Roadrunner? I need to make a statement!

I bet somebody out there is reading this and saying..."Who woke him up?"

I guess Im just too old and out of it to be hip anymore.

I don't know about age..I guess you can't change that, but you really need to work on the grouchiness. It's not good for you and when you get to the point about where everybody above minimum wage is made of some sort of plastic, the argument gets real thin. This bile will kill you.
 
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I have not read all these posts, but I might be the only actual Woodstock veteran here. Its value as a distinct moment in time and a cultural icon is inestimable, but for actual influence on US culture, I'd say it lasted a few months. Recall that Woodstock was a complete accident, more of a disaster site than second coming. In a moment of reckless silliness a lot people showed up for an event expecting to get in and then got stuck. Most of the music was not that good because so many performers were either wrecked, wet or both. The food was scarce and rank and nobody knew how to deal with that many "refugees" who spent several days living in the dirt.

The most important thing that came out of it was the fact that people dealt with being stuck there with admirable pluck. Lots of pot helped. It would never happen again. Future festivals featured stronger fences and heavier security, and Altamont showed the dark side in a way that ended the whole thing. It's one of my favorite memories, but I don't expect to ever see something like that again. When I go to a festival now, people have tickets, security keeps the crowd under control, food and bathrooms are available, bands play better and nobody expects the event to spawn a whole new utopian culture. Something lost, something gained.
 

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