Is the military ultimately an undemocratic institution?

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The military is not a democratic institution and cannot function effectively if it tries to be. It is one of the very few organisations where a superior can order his subordinates to put their lives in danger and punish them if they refuse.
 
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No it isn't/ Your not going tell decade long NCOs and officers their opinion doesn't matter.
Their opinion ultimately doesn't matter no matter how much time they have served. That's not how militaries work. Also you haven't answered the question what winning army was strictly democratic whereby soldiers could pick and choose what they will and won't do on the battlefield.
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Their opinion ultimately doesn't matter no matter how much time they have served. That's not how militaries work.
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They'll just shoot the political leader trying to get them in trouble.
 
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They'll just shoot the political leader trying to get them in trouble.
Not always and that's more the historical exception then the rule. You still haven't provided any historical examples of a successful democratic military .
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If you think the military is the only undemocratic institution found in democracies, well..... not sure what to say.

Fortunately, democracies do not depend on every institution operating in their borders also act in a democratic fashion.
 
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A revolutionary army will be a democratic organisation as the officers would be appointed by consensual agreement among the men who had to follow them. This appointment might be by formal election or general agreement.If they appoint an incompetent then the revolution is lost and possibly even forgotten in history.

An ancestor of mine, a conscript in the Army of Parliament in 1643, found himself extracted from a garrison in Northamptonshire and placed in the New Model Army to boost the infantry numbers for the pending battle against Charles Stuart that was eventually fought at Naseby. His only consent was to trail his pike under Skippon whom he had followed into combat before. Thanks to Cromwell's second charge he walked alive off the battlefield but then, until he became a Quaker in 1655, lived in fear of arrest by Cromwell's government for his previous political associations with the Wellingborough Diggers. The entire episode of Naseby and what happened next is a remarkable statement of revolution, hope and aspiration. The victors failed at the democracy they might have achieved as the collective imagination was just not there. A complicated picture of both consent, agreement and military discipline. My ancestor, Ralfe was a remarkable man with an extraordinary life.
 
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It depends almost entirely on how much thinking a military wants its junior officers to be able to do, and whether it can practice that expectation.
 
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This question reminds me of the time when, after voicing my displeasure at a certain order my Navy CPO gave, and offering an alternative action, he asked me: what in the world ever made you think that my beloved Navy was a f*cking democracy?"

But no, there is precious little democracy in regards to how the military functions. It is far more oligarchical in nature.
 
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I know during the Provisional Government period of Russia they allowed soldiers to form soldier unions where they would vote on strategy/etc.
 
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I know during the Provisional Government period of Russia they allowed soldiers to form soldier unions where they would vote on strategy/etc.
For how many months? Ask anyone eho served in the Soviet Army how much they enjoyed serving in a democratic army.
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