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KOREA WAR: interesting facts
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Thanks, Speculatin'. Lots of interesting info in there. One of the most timely is No.9, that North Korea repudiated the Armistice in 2013. So technically, North Korea and the US (or more accurately the UN) are at war?
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http://www.history.com/topics/korean-war
Do you have some reason for thinking that Communist Korea, backed by the USSR and Communist China, was not going to impose communism on South Korea?
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Yes, because there is no reason to hold other people to be less patriotic than us. The fact that you find their ideology objectionable does not mean they are not patriotic. Korea was divided for a long time and colonized, annexed, and crushed. It shouldn't be surprising Koreans from either side wants their country back.
An untruthful statement. North Korea was shifted it's ideology.
Really - it what way?YouLoveMeYouKnowIt;2803400. The fact that you find their ideology objectionable does not mean they a said:
Mike
Here is fact that is not recorded (to my knowledge) - my old boss Lt Col David McIntosh, Royal Artillery (deceased sadly - a larger than life character) fired the last shells of the Korean War on the orders of the British Government, Red, White and Blue smoke.
What the Government does not know is that the three cartridges that they insisted on collecting are fakes - they were substituted. One of the originals resided proudly on David's fireplace. I presume the other two now belong to his gunners.
What the Government does not know is that the three cartridges that they insisted on collecting are fakes - they were substituted. One of the originals resided proudly on David's fireplace. I presume the other two now belong to his gunners.
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"Although millions of people died during the Korean War, no one side can claim it won the war. At best, South Korea can claim that it stopped North Korea from taking over and turning it into a communist nation. Both countries still remain divided, and North Korea is still a communist nation"
I agree with this to an extent.
Where I think it falls short is that while the Korean War didn't have any winners, it did have a clear loser: North Korea. North Korea began the war as an attempt to unify the Korean Peninsula, and in the end, that attempt was a total failure.
I agree with this to an extent.
Where I think it falls short is that while the Korean War didn't have any winners, it did have a clear loser: North Korea. North Korea began the war as an attempt to unify the Korean Peninsula, and in the end, that attempt was a total failure.
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The Korean War was called a UN "police action" since the UN, not the US, called for the intervention. The Russian member of the Security Council boycotted the vote.
http://www.nytimes.com/1990/06/10/books/l-truman-s-police-action-841390.html
http://www.nytimes.com/1990/06/10/books/l-truman-s-police-action-841390.html
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You didn't quote me properly. What are you asking about and what are you trying to say?
Are you suggesting North Korea's regime is not objectionable?
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You didn't quote me properly. What are you asking about and what are you trying to say?
Are you suggesting North Korea's regime is not objectionable?
Obviously if NK won SK would become Communist, that's because NK was communist.
But to say NK invaded to make SK communist seems to be taking a partisan view of history, and not an objective view. NK would invade SK for same reason why SK would invade (but didn't due to being too weak) NK and for same reason why any country invade the other in a civil war - to reunite their own country.
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Would N Korea have invaded without other communist states support? It was Soviet soldiers occupying N Korea and refusing elections or the drawing of independent borders that started the confrontation and division.
Saying communism has nothing to do with it is disingenuous though I agree that the start of the war planning was motivated by the idea of reunification the subsequent planning and invasion was entirely due to communist goals in eliminating a capitalist state while trying to frame the war as kicking out foreigners repressing the locals.
The idea that West simply moved in when Japanese left isn't too far from the truth but the West already had many colonies and Soviets were part of the West occupying N Korea so...
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No. It would have just resorted to cross-border battles both NK and SK were doing before 1950. Without Soviet support, NK would not have the ability to invade much like how SK did not invade because it lacked the means and backing from the US.
Maybe you could point out where I said communism had nothing to do with it?
I am saying patriotism and reuniting one's own country is the primary reason. I think this is pretty common sense. People don't like their countries split, based on decisions formed upon them and not by them. Why should we hold Koreans differently?
Would Americans like their countries divided? And if someone started a war to make it whole again after a century of division forced upon them by foreigners, let's all assume it's primarily due to ideology rather than wanting their country back.
I was wondering what 'NK was shifted it's ideology' actually meant.
I most certainly regard NK's regime as highly objectionable, and I can't see how you seem to have read that into my query.
Mike
The Commanding Officer, 1st Royal Tank Regiment, had a bell made from some of the 26,000 20pdr shell cases fired at the enemy in Korea. The Bell is now a regimental treasure.
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Offhand, the British film I can think off about the Korean War is A Hill in Korea, starring George Baker, Stanley Baker, Harry Andrews and a number of others including an early role for Michael Caine.
In real life Pte Maurice Micklewhite was a National Serviceman and did a tour of Korea during the Conflict:
"I was nearly killed. There were four of us on patrol in a valley in the middle of the rice paddies. The Chinese were closing in on us and the officer said, 'Let's run towards their line - they won't expect it because they'll be expecting us to run away towards our lines.' So we did that and we ended up going right around them. They couldn't find us because they were looking in the wrong place and we got away. But we'd faced that moment that we thought was the end."
In real life Pte Maurice Micklewhite was a National Serviceman and did a tour of Korea during the Conflict:
"I was nearly killed. There were four of us on patrol in a valley in the middle of the rice paddies. The Chinese were closing in on us and the officer said, 'Let's run towards their line - they won't expect it because they'll be expecting us to run away towards our lines.' So we did that and we ended up going right around them. They couldn't find us because they were looking in the wrong place and we got away. But we'd faced that moment that we thought was the end."
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