NAPOLEON (2023) directed by Ridley Scott , starring Joaquin Phoenix as Emperor , WHAT ?

merdiolu · Sep 22, 2022

Please tell me this is a bad joke. Didn't those Hollywood jokers learn from Marlon Brando's disasterous Napoleon movie adaptation that Corsican's life was too complacated to narrative into a movie , besides Phoenix looks like a parody of Bonaparte. That look on his face :

Tiberius Caesar · Sep 22, 2022

I usually wait till a movie is released before judging it. Yes, that also applies to Disney live actions.

robto · Sep 22, 2022

merdiolu said:
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Please tell me this is a bad joke. Didn't those Hollywood jokers learn from Marlon Brando's disasterous Napoleon movie adaptation that Corsican's life was too complacated to narrative into a movie , besides Phoenix looks like a parody of Bonaparte. That look on his face :

I don't see a problem with his face, and Joaquin Phoenix is a good actor.

HFlashmanVC · Sep 22, 2022

A director and a movie star with some very good and intelligent movies on their name. That doesn't spell doom automatically for me, but indeed let's see first before the judgement.

Dreamhunter · Sep 22, 2022

I think JP has played a variety of interesting roles.

So, he's got quite the range, I reckon.

Tammuz · Sep 22, 2022

merdiolu said:
Please tell me this is a bad joke

You shouldn´t judge solely because of a photo.

The quality of an actor's performance can only be seen in the moving film pictures and the dialogues.

I have seen highly interesting actors and actresses whose photos were nowhere near as fascinating.

And, as @robto rightly says, Phoenix is a really good actor. He has worked with Ridley Scott before in 'Gladiator' (Phoenix as Commodus).

Besides, Napoleon is already a caricature per se. Every actor therefore risks appearing as a caricature as well.

LazyLemonLucas · Sep 22, 2022

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merdiolu said:
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Please tell me this is a bad joke. Didn't those Hollywood jokers learn from Marlon Brando's disasterous Napoleon movie adaptation that Corsican's life was too complacated to narrative into a movie , besides Phoenix looks like a parody of Bonaparte. That look on his face :

He looks pretty badass.

TheMilitaryHistoryAddict · Sep 23, 2022

He kind of reminds me of Napoleon in Gladiator with the laurels on his head during the scene when he enters Rome.

Oldandeasilycofused · Sep 23, 2022

A bio of Napoleon? How many hours? Ideally, surely in several 2 to3 hour parts (?) Ridley Scott? Saints preserve us. I'm sure it will be very entertaining, with lots of ..... It may make a fortune. I'll almost certainly see it.

I have a copy of the 1970 film "Waterloo" with Rod Steiger As Napoleon. I quite like it. Running time between 123-134 minutes.

"Waterloo (Russian: Ватерлоо) is a 1970 epic historical war film about the Battle of Waterloo. A co-production between Italy and the Soviet Union, it is directed by Sergei Bondarchuk and produced by Dino De Laurentiis.[3][4] It stars Rod Steiger as Napoleon Bonaparte and Christopher Plummer as the Duke of Wellington with a cameo by Orson Welles as Louis XVIII of France.[5] Other stars include Jack Hawkins as General Sir Thomas Picton, Virginia McKenna as the Duchess of Richmond and Dan O'Herlihy as Marshal Ney."

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Waterloo has an approval rating of 27% based on 11 reviews by critics and an 82% approval rating by audience on review aggregator website Rotten Tomatoes, with an average rating of 5.67/10.[16]

It was the fifth most popular "reserve ticket" movie at the British box office in 1971.[17] However, it failed to recoup its cost. Post release saw the film gain popularity and receive numerous positive reviews for its battle depiction. Several historical characters listed in the credits do not actually appear in the film, they are said to have been in scenes cut before release.[18]

The film won two BAFTA awards in 1971 (Best art direction and best costume design) and was nominated for a third (best cinematography). The film was also novelised by Frederick E. Smith, with the content based on the screenplay."

Waterloo (1970 film) - Wikipedia

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Also have a tedious film called "Gettysburg".(1993) I'm sure many Americans love it. Running time 271 minutes director's cut.

Gettysburg received a 77% positive rating on the film critics aggregator Rotten Tomatoes, based on 22 reviews. The site's consensus states: "Gettysburg's reverent approach to history is balanced with the committed work of a talented cast - and the hard-hitting dramatization of a bloody turning point in the Civil War."[10

Gettysburg (1993 film) - Wikipedia

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The "reverent approach" did it for me. It's about a battle, not the second coming.

Homie123 · Nov 6, 2022

merdiolu said:
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Please tell me this is a bad joke. Didn't those Hollywood jokers learn from Marlon Brando's disasterous Napoleon movie adaptation that Corsican's life was too complacated to narrative into a movie , besides Phoenix looks like a parody of Bonaparte. That look on his face :

Thanks for bringing this upcoming movie to my attention. I'll definitely see it when I get the time. Phoenix looks pretty good in the picture, to me at least. The only thing I might change is where his hands are in this shot. Maybe have one hand placed firmly in his coat with the other arm hanging down or perhaps at an angle in the iconic Napoleon pose.

At Each Kilometer · Nov 7, 2022

.. they (the actors) should speak French, otherwise it is gonna be a perversion, like this Gladiator movie, Modern English instead of the proper Latin.

Sephiroth · Nov 7, 2022

Why was this a thing?

Oldandeasilycofused · Nov 7, 2022

Sephiroth said:
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Don't think anyone knows for sure.

Could have been to alleviate pain from a range of ailments, including a hernia or perhaps a stomach ulcer.

A furtive way of masturbating?

He may simply have thought that pose looked cool, or a single painter may have thought so and was copied by other painters?.

Homie123 · Nov 7, 2022

Oldandeasilycofused said:
Don't think anyone knows for sure.

Could have been to alleviate pain from a range of ailments, including a hernia or perhaps a stomach ulcer.

A furtive way of masturbating?

He may simply have thought that pose looked cool, or a single painter may have thought so and was copied by other painters?.

Are you talking about Napoleon's pose with the hand in coat? Cause this was just a pose in vogue at the time. Many leaders made the pose before and after Napoleon too. I don't know how you got to the possibility of masturbation as the hand was usually placed above the belly button, far from the male member.

Some other historical figures in the pose:-

It was also a way to have portraits made quicker and with less blunders as artists that might be less experienced tended to mess up the drawing of hands, plus having one hand out of the painting made the painting quicker to finish. During the early age of photography this was still the vogue as due to the quality of the lenses at the time, hands used to appear blurry in pictures, so to still have a striking and powerful presence on camera, this pose was used, and you gotta admit, it is stylish.

A picture with blurry hands from early cameras:-

However, no historical figure gained quite the same reputation for the pose as Napoleon did, and that is where he is different from the others. The pose also did gain further popularity after his frequent use of it as well as people outside of the Western European region started using it too much more frequently.

Oldandeasilycofused · Nov 8, 2022

Homie123 said:
I don't know how you got to the possibility of masturbation as the hand was usually placed above the belly button, far from the male member.

Ah geez, that was a joke, and one which implied he had a huge willy..

Didn't know the pose was common. I guess I might be right; he felt it was a cool thing to do.

At Each Kilometer · Nov 8, 2022

How to say willy in French?

The Conquerour.

Homie123 · Nov 8, 2022

Oldandeasilycofused said:
Ah geez, that was a joke, and one which implied he had a huge willy..

Didn't know the pose was common. I guess I might be right; he felt it was a cool thing to do.

Oh, sorry. I'm terrible at picking up jokes.

It was more so kind of a habit I suppose. Sort of like how people put their hands in their pockets today while walking around. Not mecessarily becaus eit's cool or they wish to leave an impression upon someone but that it's common enough that you just put your hands in your pockets without thinking much of it as it has become second nature for you.

Ironically, Napoleon never posed for the portrait due to which he is known so widely for the pose:-

This was an invention by the artist Jacques Louis David.

Oldandeasilycofused · Nov 8, 2022

Homie123 said:
It was more so kind of a habit I suppose.

Yeah I s'pose. Once worked with a bloke who who put his hand inside his shirt and fondle his nipples. Seemed an unconscious act.

Lord Oda Nobunaga · Jan 16, 2023

Oh gawd... what did I do to deserve this? The Joker being cast as Napoleon. Glad I stopped keeping up with Hollywood years ago.

Also I hate Ridley Scott. Gladiator, Kingdom of Heaven, Medieval Me Too. That isn't history.

Oldandeasilycofused · Jan 16, 2023

Lord Oda Nobunaga said:
Also I hate Ridley Scott. Gladiator, Kingdom of Heaven, Medieval Me Too. That isn't history.

That's a pity.

I already knew enough Roman history to know "Gladiator' was fantasy. Kingdom Of Heaven had a lot of "flaws/careless errors". However I enjoyed both as well made films.

Favourite film based in an historical setting is "Inglorious Basterds". Absolutely love that Tarantino killed off Hitler and his cronies. Wish more directors would do that kind of thing, rather than even imply that their film is historically accurate.

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