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Paul Roberts' End of Food, history of agriculture, and the looming food crisis
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I don't know if all of our bodies can actually sustain a permanent vegetarian diet, though.
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They can but it isn't optimal. Humans have evolved over hundreds of thousands of years to function with a certain amount of meat in the diet. Nobody can cut out meat entirely without a detrimental effect on efficiency.
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As far as the mind can reach
The argument whether humans are omnivores or herbivores is ongoing.
Our digestive system is intermediate between herbivores and carnivores, and
carnivorous people (such as Inuits and Mongolians) often suffer from
various health issues.
Before industrial agriculture, humans usually don't get enough intake of meat;
currently, at least in the developed world, meat consumption is usually
significantly higher than the necessary or optimal level.
Due to ..... 19, our family has been cooking almost all our meals since
March (the exceptions are a few orders of take-outs).
Since our family dislike cooking raw meat, which is once or twice per week,
our meat intake is rather modest, and we mostly eat pork and chicken.
Chickens, pigs, and cattle are primary sources of meat (or animal protein); they
are not necessarily the most efficient or environmentally friendly.
Some suggest picking up rabbits, guinea pigs, insects and herbivorous fishes (fishes here
mean different species of fishes, such as tilapia, grass carp, and basa) for sources of
protein and other nutrients.
Should we try catching locusts en masse and canning them as sources of protein?
I’m not convinced of that but anyway I was addressing a hypothetical situation where the world can’t feed its population.
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No, its not. The simple fact that humans can eat and digest meat and plants mean we are omnivores. To be an omnivore you don't need to eat both constantly. If someone chooses to eat only plants they are still an omnivore. In fact there is a word for such a person, they are called vegetarians; someone who can eat meat but chooses not to.
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I once stepped on a grasshopper, and I noticed its fleshy body; for shrimps and prawns (one of the leading seafood),
we eat the body rather than the leg.
Shrimps and prawns might have the highest "flesh to weight" ratio by far.
Dogs are capable of digesting plants and meat, do that mean dogs are omnivores as well?
The debate about dogs is even more complicated than humans.
In wild animals, even herbivores may take occasional meat.
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No they can't. If a dog eats plants they do not obtain any nutrients from it or break it down. It passes through largely as is. Dogs sometimes do this to induce vomiting when feeling ill. When I say digest, I mean eat and obtain nutrients you can live off of. Dogs can't do this with plants.
If an herbivore eats meat, it is usually by accident, to obtain a missing mineral or as a result of extreme hunger.
The very definition of herbivore is a creature anatomically and physiologically adapted to primarily eating plant material, humans can eat both so by definition we are not herbivores.
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Yep. We have a clearer picture today. The policy was an abject failure.
'Caught up in their own bullshit': The cost of Sweden's controversial coronavirus strategy
Sweden's idea of not following conventional coronavirus measures led to a death rate triple that of its neighbours, and even though a vaccine could be close, the country may need the kind of measures it tried to avoid throughout the pandemic.
www.abc.net.au
So basically it'll get you somewhere, sometime, somehow.Yep. We have a clearer picture today. The policy was an abject failure.
'Caught up in their own bullshit': The cost of Sweden's controversial coronavirus strategy
Sweden's idea of not following conventional coronavirus measures led to a death rate triple that of its neighbours, and even though a vaccine could be close, the country may need the kind of measures it tried to avoid throughout the pandemic.
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Sweden has very good number for the epidemic ,
they rank as 20th as per mortality rate behind Switzerland , France , Spain , USA , Great Britain, Italy and poor number one Belgium
this with a minimum of disruption
www.statista.com
they should be commended ,
instead the rigidly politically correct ABC , true to form , push the official line
not even bothering to be embarrassed by official World Health Organization number
I suggest you do like me and treat their "information" with the greatest skepticism
covid19.who.int
they rank as 20th as per mortality rate behind Switzerland , France , Spain , USA , Great Britain, Italy and poor number one Belgium
this with a minimum of disruption
COVID-19 deaths per capita by country| Statista
..... deaths worldwide were highest in Peru, topping a list that compares deaths per million in 210 countries worldwide.
www.statista.com
they should be commended ,
instead the rigidly politically correct ABC , true to form , push the official line
not even bothering to be embarrassed by official World Health Organization number
I suggest you do like me and treat their "information" with the greatest skepticism
COVID-19 cases | WHO COVID-19 dashboard
The latest data for coronavirus (.....-19) cases from the WHO .....-19 dashboard.
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The strategy that worked was to enforce a strict quarantine for all incomers and if there is an outbreak, to lockdown hard and early until it was under control.
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Sweden has very good number for the epidemic ,
they rank as 20th as per mortality rate behind Switzerland , France , Spain , USA , Great Britain, Italy and poor number one Belgium
this with a minimum of disruption
COVID-19 deaths per capita by country| Statista
..... deaths worldwide were highest in Peru, topping a list that compares deaths per million in 210 countries worldwide.
they should be commended ,
instead the rigidly politically correct ABC , true to form , push the official line
not even bothering to be embarrassed by official World Health Organization number
I suggest you do like me and treat their "information" with the greatest skepticism
COVID-19 cases | WHO COVID-19 dashboard
The latest data for coronavirus (.....-19) cases from the WHO .....-19 dashboard.
Read the report that was written for the Royal Society of Medicine. Sweden killed a lot of people for no reason.
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Nope , Sweden numbers are excellent , including for their second wave
maybe you do not believe the official WHO published statistics
from your link
" the knock-on impact on non-..... health would be highly significant in a situation where the population was locked down while health services were only able to prioritise .....-19 healthcare;
this is all too evident in the UK with cancer, heart and organ transplantation services all now in a serious situation.
Third, the economic impact of the Swedish measures would likely be less severe than the precipitate collapse in government revenues seen elsewhere "
This is the crux of the matter the lock-down wasn't implemented to STOP the epidemic ,
it was presented as a way to slow down the infection , flatten the curve , avoid emergency wards saturation and a situation of "triage"
the official story then became a power trip delirium ,
the flattening argument not being mentioned anymore in favor of a repressive strategy dear to any public service in a crisis
the paper also compare Sweden with other Scandinavian countries , but this is also misleading ,
Finland and Norway have quite different urban concentration
better to take an overall view
maybe you do not believe the official WHO published statistics
from your link
" the knock-on impact on non-..... health would be highly significant in a situation where the population was locked down while health services were only able to prioritise .....-19 healthcare;
this is all too evident in the UK with cancer, heart and organ transplantation services all now in a serious situation.
Third, the economic impact of the Swedish measures would likely be less severe than the precipitate collapse in government revenues seen elsewhere "
This is the crux of the matter the lock-down wasn't implemented to STOP the epidemic ,
it was presented as a way to slow down the infection , flatten the curve , avoid emergency wards saturation and a situation of "triage"
the official story then became a power trip delirium ,
the flattening argument not being mentioned anymore in favor of a repressive strategy dear to any public service in a crisis
the paper also compare Sweden with other Scandinavian countries , but this is also misleading ,
Finland and Norway have quite different urban concentration
better to take an overall view
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The rigorous control of population is the number 1 problem of the world, especially the third world countries. If the third world countries practice the control of population as the PRC has done, the practice of vegetarianism wil have no problems.
No it didn't. The society's journal apparently published a piece in August of 2020 penned by a London anthropologist and some kind of British retired GP – i.e. a couple of hobby-epidemiologists making claims that happen to coincide with what you seem to want to be true?Read the report that was written for the Royal Society of Medicine. Sweden killed a lot of people for no reason.
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Lots of opinion presented with an air of absolute ....-sureness around these days.
But the food eaten by beggars and dogs following an ostentatious wedding is not really wasted, is it? I’m sure that the less fortunate figured out long ago that these weddings characterized by ostentatious quantities of food can also feed a lot of other people who are simply waiting for highly nutritious scraps.
San Antonio gets most of its potable water from the Edwards Aquifer. This aquifer is definitely a “renewable aquifer” but it is subject to drought conditions which affect it. It is not the only source of fresh water here, but it is the main one. There is some desalinization going on at the coast that the city can tap into but I have no idea how much that is. And, of course, shallower water sources that are connected to wells are also a source.
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