Pro communist people, how would you make communism work?

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Like if I wanted more ram or a new graphics card for my computer, how would I get those in communism?

1. First you become party member.
2. Then you rat out your neighbours to the KGB that they are secret bourgeois agents because they had steaks last month and thus gain favours with the local party leadership.
3. Then you put your name on a priority waiting list and in a couple of years you might get the latest soviet ram and graphic cards in separate 10 ton containers. Because that is what their weight actually is.
 
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Indeed. We could not get access to all western literature, movies, music etc. For example Jan Fleming books or Bond movies were banned. I couldn’t get Fleming books even in one of the biggest Moscow library. Not that it was worth it as I see now but at that time it was kind of unfair. To know that there was something we couldn’t get hold of. Most of the western media was also out of reach. I speak of the period of up to the early 80-s. I used to roam a second hand bookstore. There I could get some up to date English language books. And there was no religious literature in the book shops. No bibles. As to the movies we also had a choice of pictures someone made for us. Of course it was a good choice, but all the same it would be better to let us decide which pictures were good and which not. And there was some censorship in the movies we were allowed to see. No ..., no nudes, no Bond like anti-Soviet themes. As to Tarkovsky yes, he was popular, and we liked Solaris and Stalker. Some even watched his other works but they were for intellectuals not for everyone’s taste.

Ah, ok, another good answer, thank you.

I loved to read to when I was in school in the 80's. I graduated high school in 1991 and I was born in 1972. My favorite authors were Stephen King and Kurt Vonnegut. This of course was before the internet so instead of wasting time all day on the internet I would spend my time reading. :)
 
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Ah, ok, another good answer, thank you.

I loved to read to when I was in school in the 80's. I graduated high school in 1991 and I was born in 1972. My favorite authors were Stephen King and Kurt Vonnegut. This of course was before the internet so instead of wasting time all day on the internet I would spend my time reading. :)

I am not sure about Stephen King but Kurt Vonnegut was well translated in Russia. As for me I loved Jack London. Read everything he wrote.
 
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I am not sure about Stephen King but Kurt Vonnegut was well translated in Russia. As for me I loved Jack London. Read everything he wrote.

Did you live in Russia in the early 1990's? Did bands like Nirvana and Pearl Jam become popular there as soon as their albums were released or did it take couple of years to catch up?

I was a college freshman in 1991 the year Nirvana album Nevermind was Released.
 
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Did you live in Russia in the early 1990's? Did bands like Nirvana and Pearl Jam become popular there as soon as their albums were released or did it take couple of years to catch up?

I was a college freshman in 1991 the year Nirvana album Nevermind was Released.

I lived in the era of Nazareth, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd and Uria Heep. I've heard of Nirvana but was not crazy of them. In the 1990-s we already could buy anything at all and for almost nothing. Then it was possible to buy such applications as Photoshop and 3D Max for a couple of dollars in a nearby kiosk. Same about music. Those who wanted got them. Piracy was everywhere. We got music and movies before (!) you got them. 1990-s! Such a beautiful time!
 
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I lived in the era of Nazareth, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd and Uria Heep. I've heard of Nirvana but was not crazy of them. In the 1990-s we already could buy anything at all and for almost nothing. Then it was possible to buy such applications as Photoshop and 3D Max for a couple of dollars in a nearby kiosk. Same about music. Those who wanted got them. Piracy was everywhere. We got music and movies before (!) you got them. 1990-s! Such a beautiful time!
Maribat! I am younger than you and I can see you are not honest. In early 90s your grand parents ( not yours but those of average) could buy three pair of decent boots using their entire life savings, because their savings were devalued due to hyperinflation by Gaidar shock therapy reforms. Am I deceiving the audience?
 
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Maribat! I am younger than you and I can see you are not honest. In early 90s your grand parents ( not yours but those of an average) could buy three pair of decent boots using their entire life savings, because their savings were devalued by Gaidar shock therapy reforms. Am I deceiving the audience?

I am not decieving anyone. When I said we could buy any movie, a music disk or a PC application I meant a pirate copy. In the beginning of 90-s my salary if converted to dollars would be $ 15 at most. Of course are you right. About shock therapy, devaluations and all that. But it was time of great expectations and great hopes. We were moving from communism and it was great!
 
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My mother is a Russian. She completed Biofak working at the Academy of Sciences upon completion. Years later, she was given a recommendation by a good standing communist (member of the Communist Party) to study in the Higher Party School and she completed it. A recommendation was needed to enroll in the Higher Party School.
By modern terms the Higher Party School education is equivalent to MBA providing the person has good grades and solid recommendations verified thoroughly. There was much ideological nonsense and most students ignored it. She didn't get any benefits unlike people before her.


So, I am partially commie? :)
 
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But it was time of great expectations and great hopes. We were moving from communism and it was great!

My mother doesn't have good recollection about the 90s. She saw her friends marrying foreigners including herself. She saw her colleagues at the market turning their faces away.
 
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My mother doesn't have good recollection about the 90s. She saw her friends marrying foreigners including herself. She saw her colleagues at the market turning their faces away.


What do I know, another self hating Russian on an internet forum :deadhorse:
 
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Great. 1981-1986 I studied at HistFak of the same MGU. My regards to your mother
Okay! My father studied на механико-математическом факультете в московском университете. Говорит, что их девчата сумасшедшими называли в хорошем смысле. Выпуск 1985.
 
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Наверное надо было написать МГУ, только папа свой университет московским называет.
 
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What do I know, another self hating Russian on an internet forum :deadhorse:


I love my mother , as any child would. I can read and write in Russian better than 90% of Russians. My Mum taught me. :) I don't feel anything about Russia or the Russians. I don't like the country.
 
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I know a lot of people escaped from Russia, and now there is another wave. But aaprt this, the topic should concerns other. But if there is no autocriticism, the problems are destined to be repeated, not to be resolved.
 
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I love my mother , as any child would. I can read and write in Russian better than 90% of Russians. My Mum taught me. :) I don't feel anything about Russia or the Russians. I don't like the country.


The problem is people escape into the "West" and decide they don't like the fact that they come from an "Eastern" country. my father was born in a pseudo-Eastern country in Greece. We share the same religion and cultural influences in many regards despite everybody's favorite pass time in ignoring the facts. We've been through just as many ridiculous wars in the last 100 years a brutal dictatorships run by the military, fears of communism, and an enforced monarchy.


I should in theory have just as many things to hate about the country that my father came from, but I don't. Sometimes I feel like we have the only "normal" people in the Balkans, or Eastern Europe. I keep putting this down to some sort of a conflict with being Slavic, and the fact that living under true communism rather than socialism and social democracy Greece still finds itself under has done something more to the psyche of most people who live in that part of the Balkans and in Russia.
 

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