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The greatest German leader in history
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In all of history, I can think of few leaders more disastrous than Hitler.
Appaently SilasMarner assumed that "German leader" meant "leader of Germans" instad of "German who was a leader" as you assumed.
The title of the OP says " The greatest German leader in history" so I haven't assumed anything. The OP doesn't state " who was the greatest foreign leader of Germans. Since Germany didn't exist until 1878 and Germany since then has not had a non German leader ( Hitler was a legally naturalized German citizen ) all German leaders have been German citizens.
Leftyhunter
1878 when the Kaiser assumed control over the Germanic principalities.
Leftyhunter
That person wasn't very smart. The ex Confederate's wrote their lost cause narratives right after the ACW. Right after WWI their was the " stab in the back " campaign blaming the loss of WWI on Jews and Communists.
Jefferson Davis made good money going on the lecture circuit spouting how he was right and Lincoln was wrong. So no looser definitely get to write history. Alpert Speer made a lot of money doing so had did Hans Rudell.
Leftyhunter
Other then having Germany completely devastating and getting millions of Germans killed and countless German women ..... by allied soldier then having to pay Israel and Jewish survivors a whole lot of money in repreations. But then again those mere trivial details.
Leftyhunter
I would think mass murder and leading Germany into a disastrous war that killed countless millions around the world is kind of a bad thing but hey Hitler supported science. Hitler also had intimate relations with his first cousin and tried his suicide capsules first on his beloved dog Blondie. But has long has one backs science it's no big deal right? I mean exterminating millions of people based on religion , political affiliation , sexual orientation is all good as long as one supports science. Are you pulling our leg as a joke or what?
Leftyhunter
I watch Bulgarian interests. And they are Hitler becouse he return to Bulgaria Macedonia and Tracia. Other allies hate Bulgaria. UK and USA bombed Sofia. The Soviet army killed many people in "People's judgment", ..... Bulgarian womens, stole from Bulgarian. So who is the worst?
Hitler by far. It's unfortunate that Bulgaria backed the Axis. I am not excusing Soviet rapes but if Hitler didn't invade Poland there wouldn't of been a WWII at least in Europe. So Hitler is the bad guy number one.
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Sure. You know, there are guys whose point of view is the Earth is flat. Your point of view on Hitler is not only close to that of the neo-Nazis on the subject, but also to that of flat-earthers about the shape of the Earth.
You mean false hopes of both.
The Treaty of Versailles was not revisioned. A "revision" means by mutual consent of the signatories. Hitler unilaterally scrapped its clauses one by one, first sneakily and then overtly. The only exception being the London Naval Treaty, which anyway Hitler then rushed to violate with the size of the Bismarck.
The German economy was not stabilised. Quite the opposite. Hitler launched a giant deficit spending policy by which it seemed things were getting better, but he was just kicking the debt to later years. Then he embarked in a multi-pronged economic scam against the German people (look up shining examples such as the MeFo junk bills, the scheme for the Volkswagen car, the fact that the state bonds being due in 1940 were unilaterally prolonged by the state) and saved the situation - temporarily - by embarking in large-scale plundering. One of the reasons why he had to invade and subjugate what remained of Czechoslovakia is that Germany could no longer pay its foreign debts, given that nobody accepted Reichsmarks any more (because, doh, they knew about the state of the German economy what you do not know) and they had run out of valuable foreign currency and gold. But Prague still had gold reserves and foreign currency.
In short, you are wrong because you don't actually know what you are talking about.
Yes, if you are right from where Hitler found money for the army and new weapons? OK Czechoslovakia but before occupation?Before Austria, Poland? If Germany were in bad economic situation why France and UK gave to Germany Austria, Poland and other territories? Why they didn't occupy Germany for violations clauses from Treaty of Versailles?
Your question proves not only that you don't know what you are talking about, but also that you did not understand my reply. Look up what deficit spending is, and consider that I mentioned state bonds.
The French and Belgians did actually occupy a significant part of Germany in 1923 for German violations of the Treaty of Versailles - another thing you are learning right now. Yes, it would have been a good idea to do that again when the Germans remilitarized the Rheinland, but the French made the mistake of not doing that. I'll leave to you to find out what significant part of Germany was occupied in 1923 and until which subsequent year, so you'll have to do some reading.
Indeed my advice to you in general is, before writing even just a post for an online forum, one has to read, much more than what you have done.
This is my opinion on the subject and I do not think there is any point in continuing the argument. I respect other people's opinions too, but that doesn't change mine. Yes, exactly how great Hitler was is debatable
It's wrong to think all opinions are equal and all deserve the same respect. Yours are based on ignorance, so they do not deserve respect in a forum dedicated to history. Indeed, I don't respect them. In politics, maybe they work, depending on the sort of politics.
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The term German was invented by the Romans to describe the Germanic tribes, so technically could mean be interpreted quite broadly. Also the OP doesn't state leader of all German, (which would include Austrians), just German, so a leader of some Germans seems to be the best interpretation. Now all we have to do is decide when people start and stop being Germans. Greatest German leader, when did the Franks stop being Germans?
If it was leader of all Germans, the list narrows, Hitler or Doenitz?
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