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Not how, but who ...
Not exactly how, but who ... who can exercise such an authority to force a nuclear power like Russia not to do something?
Sure not UN.
This is the point: if we want [and we don't want] UN to be really an international ruler, we have to transfer part of our sovereignty to it. Military forces included.
UN are just a politically correct faced, useful to gain some votes, not much more than that.
Not exactly how, but who ... who can exercise such an authority to force a nuclear power like Russia not to do something?
Sure not UN.
This is the point: if we want [and we don't want] UN to be really an international ruler, we have to transfer part of our sovereignty to it. Military forces included.
UN are just a politically correct faced, useful to gain some votes, not much more than that.
Ethiopia was a independente country not matched with Italy... Crimea is Russian from XVIII Century to 1954 when Khrushchev gifted to Ukrainia... so not relation between Ethiopia and Crimea.
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The League of Nations 'intervened with more or less success in territorial conflicts between, Sweden and Finland, Greece & Bulgaria, Columbia & Peru, and a host of others...'
It was not able to successfully intervene in the Manchuria Crisis, the Second Disarmament Conference, and the Italo-Ethiopia War. (the net failure of the League!).
It was not able to successfully intervene in the Manchuria Crisis, the Second Disarmament Conference, and the Italo-Ethiopia War. (the net failure of the League!).
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'The League worked to combat proliferating hazards and traffic of an increasingly interconnected world. The League set standards for air traffic, radio transmission, and child welfare; organised the Austrian bailout and standardised economic data; combated sexual and drug trafficking; dealt with Russian refugees and negotiated the Greek-Turkish population exchange; pioneered development missions to China and Liberia; set up research stations to track epidemic diseases; and ran institutes and conferences to promote economic and intellectual cooperation'. This area of work of the League 'never declined and only expanded, steadily promoting the authority and elevating the role of those new international actors, the "expert" and what we would call today the NGO...cooperation on mundane activities might create networks that would promote peace. It is this League that laid the foundations for the institutions of global governance we have today...'
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'The League ran plebiscites in or attempted to adjudicate certain disputed areas (Memel, Siliesia, Mosul etc), and administered others (Danzig, the Saarland)...and ran a minorities regime, a system through which the League Council, guided by Secretariat officials, sought to hold a dozen new or reconstituted East European or Balkan states to promises of minority rights, they had made as the price of sovereignty...Officials also worked hard to keep some things quiet [when necessary]...not only was the League founded on the principle of public openness, its institutions were too large and too riven by national and ideological rivalries and loyalties...disaffected inhabitants sent exposes to humanitarian organisations and political allies. And much made its way into the columns of a vigilant press.'
[this thread is in danger of beginning to look like a blog or point of reference almost, but the quotes are from a library book Intro, so thanks for your understanding].
'The League ran plebiscites in or attempted to adjudicate certain disputed areas (Memel, Siliesia, Mosul etc), and administered others (Danzig, the Saarland)...and ran a minorities regime, a system through which the League Council, guided by Secretariat officials, sought to hold a dozen new or reconstituted East European or Balkan states to promises of minority rights, they had made as the price of sovereignty...Officials also worked hard to keep some things quiet [when necessary]...not only was the League founded on the principle of public openness, its institutions were too large and too riven by national and ideological rivalries and loyalties...disaffected inhabitants sent exposes to humanitarian organisations and political allies. And much made its way into the columns of a vigilant press.'
[this thread is in danger of beginning to look like a blog or point of reference almost, but the quotes are from a library book Intro, so thanks for your understanding].
A big problem with the League compared with the UN is that a least one global world power (US) was not part of the League, while all of the major world powers are part of the UN. When a major power is not part of a world organization, it is going to weaken that organization.
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The League of Nations failed to solve the problems of the world following the Great War and the World War II erupted.
On Jan. 1, 1942, the UN Declaration was signed under the leadership of imperialist states such the U.S. and Britain. This declaration was published in the name of the Atlantic Pact and the purpose of it was more like preserving the hegemony of imperialism and exploitation of the weak countries.
In 1943, Soviet Union and China joined them. In 1945, Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin shared out the world at the Yalta Conference. Later, France joined the game and the UN was established on June 26, 1945.
In short, on the contrary to the "preserving the peace and security" motto of the UN, this organization was formed to protect the interests of these five imperialist states in the post-World War II environment. Today, institutions such as the United Nations, the World Bank, IMF, International Atomic Energy Agency are nothing but the instruments of imperialism that function in a mafia-like order.
On Jan. 1, 1942, the UN Declaration was signed under the leadership of imperialist states such the U.S. and Britain. This declaration was published in the name of the Atlantic Pact and the purpose of it was more like preserving the hegemony of imperialism and exploitation of the weak countries.
In 1943, Soviet Union and China joined them. In 1945, Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin shared out the world at the Yalta Conference. Later, France joined the game and the UN was established on June 26, 1945.
In short, on the contrary to the "preserving the peace and security" motto of the UN, this organization was formed to protect the interests of these five imperialist states in the post-World War II environment. Today, institutions such as the United Nations, the World Bank, IMF, International Atomic Energy Agency are nothing but the instruments of imperialism that function in a mafia-like order.
Ukraine is an independent country recognised by the UN. you may think/argue otherwise but as far as the UN is concerned it's an officially recognised independent country.
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Looks like things didn't get off to a very good start at least with respect to Syria. Faysal was not only very capable but a sort of natural or logical national ruler of the Greater Lebanon area, pretty much modern day Syria. (Iraq was roughly on the lines, literally the border lines, of previous Ottoman provinces including Mesopotamia). Since the French weren't having Faysal - they wanted Syria divided up into four statelets - as the ruler, howsoever, it appears things were immediately heading in the wrong direction. By 1925 the Druze revolt had turned into a national uprising: 23rd August, a general call to arms was sent out, 'remember your forefathers, your history, your heroes, your martyrs, and your national honour...remember that civilised nations that are united cannot be destroyed'.
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Seems likely to me! A further point is that whenever the numbers of representatives of the different nation states obtained a seat on the Council, of the League of Nations, the worse things got!: '...the Council growing larger [Brazil and Germany joined in 1926] and losing effectiveness as it grew.'
The UN does of course pass resolutions and so forth, but if history teaches us anything, it must be (has been) fundamentally compromised or incapable of taking decisions at all. That pretty well matches things up doesn't it ??
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There are some errors in yours dates, Brasil was a nonpermanet member of the Council of the League since 1920, and Brasil withdrew from the Council in 1926 after the council refused a permanet seat for Brasil, Brasil would completely end his membership in the league in 1928.
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Thanks Tairisiano!
Books, even good ones always seem to have a few intentional errors. Glad i found out this one! obrigado
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I have it that there was a group of four representatives on the Council of non-permanent members (Brazil, Belgium, Greece and Spain). They were to be replaced by other members at the discretion of the Assembly, sometime later.
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The United Nations, just like the League of Nations before it, is a bad joke that exists at best to highlight the hypocrisy and wickedness of the powerful.
What the world needs is an Islamic ruling body to ensure that the behaviour of all world leaders is consistent with the aims and ideals of Islam. A left wing world government guided by these chivalrous and loving ideals could do a great deal of good. We could greatly reduce inequality, war and damage to the environment. Living a life of peace and harmony, with the good of all at heart.
What the world needs is an Islamic ruling body to ensure that the behaviour of all world leaders is consistent with the aims and ideals of Islam. A left wing world government guided by these chivalrous and loving ideals could do a great deal of good. We could greatly reduce inequality, war and damage to the environment. Living a life of peace and harmony, with the good of all at heart.
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Power tends to corrupt however, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Finding agreement between people is not an easy thing, but their lieth a reward.
(i hope you will find time to read over some of the earlier posts of this thread).
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