The old testament is quite lolworthy

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I don't see how any person who actually reads the Book of Mormon can actually believe in any of it. I mean, seriously? Horses, Steal, Jews, French, Reformed Egyptian all in Pre-Columbian America? What is Reformed Egyptian anyways?
 
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Out of curiosity I started reading it.
My mother is Jewish and my father Catholic...kind of. Both aren't religious at all and I was brought up slightly Jewish because my father's religiousness didn't go past having a Christmas tree.

Then again my mother's religiousness amounted to sitting down at the table, saying the minimum 1 minute prayer during Jewish holidays and eating a kosher meal (everything else was far, far from kosher).

So, I never read any kind of religious book before and always only heard about the stories and maybe saw something about them on TV.

For some reason I recently got interested in the old testament's stories and also just watched "The Bible Unearthed".
Maybe another reason for me to start reading is because 95% of all mythologic texts that interest me are poems and I hate poems.
The old testaments is one of the few prose texts (along with the Mabinogi which I just started reading).

Anyway, I got until page 35 so far, but I'm not quite sure if I want to continue.
They really are like 3-5 pages each, half of them being actually just repetition of things written a handful paragraphs above.
This is pretty lackluster considering that I always heard so much about them.

Now finally to the point of the topic title, so far it's just wack.

It essentially boils down to God telling Abraham, "go there, do that. No wait, go over there instead" and Abraham doing it without really asking why or giving it any thought.
Then god takes stuff from others and gives it to Abraham like he owns the place.
Sure, he made the planet and all, but he randomly takes things from the rightful owners and just gives them for Abraham cause he listens to god.

This reminds me of some 5 year old bully taking toys from the children he doesn't care about and giving them to the one that does as he says.

The Abraham/God combo also comes off as marriage swindlers when god tells Abraham to say Sarah is his sister and not his wife, then others marry her, THEN god appears them and threatens them so they give Abraham stuff out of fear of God.
God claims it's because they "will surely slay Abraham because Sarah is fair", but nothing even remotely similar has happened.

And I found the incident where God tells Abraham to sacrifice Isaac and Abraham does as he's told without question to be pretty disturbing.
It boils down to Abraham being willing to kill his son for his own gain.

And even more disturbing was Lot being ..... by his own daughters.

If you ask me, that is some crazy **** right there.

It's really just folklore. nothing special. if you go into the old testament hoping for something special or unique, you won't get far. I recommend reading it the same way you'd read any other folklore: look for insights into the culture. for ex., the long lineage lines tell you how important lineage was to the ancient israelis.
 
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I don't see how any person who actually reads the Book of Mormon can actually believe in any of it. I mean, seriously? Horses, Steal, Jews, French, Reformed Egyptian all in Pre-Columbian America? What is Reformed Egyptian anyways?

your problem is you're thinking rationally...actively analyze the book of mormon irrationally and you're on the way to holiness!!:D
 
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My friend in HS was a Mormon. He agreed that his faith is very judgmental and not open to debate.
I know that its popular to say that all religions are the same. However, that is not true. Mormonism is very literal and rigid.

most of my mormon friends would absolutely agree that you're going to hell. they think I'm going to hell too though, so whatever :cool:

I guess that means i can say I'LL SEE YOU IN HELL WITTGENSTEIN!!! angry face
 
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All I really have to say is that I'm proud to be a Southern Baptist. :)
 
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Alba
Reading the Old Testament like this is a sure (and appalling) way to kill it and understand absolutely nothing of your roots.
Sorry vera, the Old Testament has nothing at all to do with my roots.
 
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Sorry vera, the Old Testament has nothing at all to do with my roots.
Did I say so? It was the post originator whose mom was Jewish, and I was talking directly to him, so it was his roots. :confused:
 
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Alba
Did I say so? It was the post originator whose mom was Jewish, and I was talking directly to him, so it was his roots. :confused:
:eek: Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.

Here that's twice in as many days....I need to get a life...
 
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Also the bible was written by people who were writing down stories from word to mouth, in the days before any scientific evidence to exspain half of what we can prove in the bible now as natural phenomenon.
 
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Did I say so? It was the post originator whose mom was Jewish, and I was talking directly to him, so it was his roots. :confused:
Yes, but why is there any need for me to know about my roots?
When I was like 16, I realized I do not believe even a the slightest bit in Judaism or Christianity and this hasn't changed until now.
It simply has nothing to do with me whatsoever.

It's really just folklore. nothing special. if you go into the old testament hoping for something special or unique, you won't get far. I recommend reading it the same way you'd read any other folklore: look for insights into the culture. for ex., the long lineage lines tell you how important lineage was to the ancient israelis.
My main gripes are actually that the stories are so minimalistic and short, not much entertainment value and that they are weird.
Daughters raping their father, Abraham running to and fro because a voice in his head tells him to...

I think I won't continue reading, so I guess it's Charlton Heston time...
 
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Yes, but why is there any need for me to know about my roots?
When I was like 16, I realized I do not believe even a the slightest bit in Judaism or Christianity and this hasn't changed until now.
It simply has nothing to do with me whatsoever.


My main gripes are actually that the stories are so minimalistic and short, not much entertainment value and that they are weird.
Daughters raping their father, Abraham running to and fro because a voice in his head tells him to...

I think I won't continue reading, so I guess it's Charlton Heston time...

lol, Charlton Heston is pretty much amazing. have you seen Ben Hur? epic
 
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Yes, but why is there any need for me to know about my roots?
When I was like 16, I realized I do not believe even a the slightest bit in Judaism or Christianity and this hasn't changed until now.
It simply has nothing to do with me whatsoever.
I see. You just stated that and the fact that you have recently got interested in the Old Testament. It sounded like you were interested in understanding about your roots. I find it very natural.

My mistake. Sorry.
My main gripes are actually that the stories are so minimalistic and short, not much entertainment value and that they are weird.
As a matter of fact, that is PRECISELY the reason I said what I said about how it needs to be studied. But never mind now.
 
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Yeah, I was reading him the same way, Vera. "Re-thinking" implies some sort of interest, I always thought. I don't re-open boxes I found "not the slightest bit" of interest inside.

Must be some other nagging reasons...If it has "nothing to do" with Meg, then why are we discussing it at all?

Curiouser and curiouser....
 
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trapped inside a hominid skull
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RV46fsmx6E&feature=related"]YouTube - Penn & Teller; The Bible is .........[/ame]
Puts forward the contention that the Bible is BS.
 
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Hezekiel 16 is very interesting,according to the traditional sources the prostitude that despised by YHWE all over the chapter is the people of Jarusalem.
But this conversation acctually come from the goddess İshtar,she was a prostitude that don't expect any payment for ...,she used to do this only pleasure,and İshtar make ... with a lot of Egyptian,Assurian etc gods.Just like the prostitude of this chapter.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=EZEK 16&version=NASB
 
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Out of curiosity I started reading it.
My mother is Jewish and my father Catholic...kind of. Both aren't religious at all and I was brought up slightly Jewish because my father's religiousness didn't go past having a Christmas tree.

Then again my mother's religiousness amounted to sitting down at the table, saying the minimum 1 minute prayer during Jewish holidays and eating a kosher meal (everything else was far, far from kosher).

So, I never read any kind of religious book before and always only heard about the stories and maybe saw something about them on TV.

For some reason I recently got interested in the old testament's stories and also just watched "The Bible Unearthed".
Maybe another reason for me to start reading is because 95% of all mythologic texts that interest me are poems and I hate poems.
The old testaments is one of the few prose texts (along with the Mabinogi which I just started reading).

Anyway, I got until page 35 so far, but I'm not quite sure if I want to continue.
They really are like 3-5 pages each, half of them being actually just repetition of things written a handful paragraphs above.
This is pretty lackluster considering that I always heard so much about them.

Now finally to the point of the topic title, so far it's just wack.

It essentially boils down to God telling Abraham, "go there, do that. No wait, go over there instead" and Abraham doing it without really asking why or giving it any thought.
Then god takes stuff from others and gives it to Abraham like he owns the place.
Sure, he made the planet and all, but he randomly takes things from the rightful owners and just gives them for Abraham cause he listens to god.

This reminds me of some 5 year old bully taking toys from the children he doesn't care about and giving them to the one that does as he says.

The Abraham/God combo also comes off as marriage swindlers when god tells Abraham to say Sarah is his sister and not his wife, then others marry her, THEN god appears them and threatens them so they give Abraham stuff out of fear of God.
God claims it's because they "will surely slay Abraham because Sarah is fair", but nothing even remotely similar has happened.

And I found the incident where God tells Abraham to sacrifice Isaac and Abraham does as he's told without question to be pretty disturbing.
It boils down to Abraham being willing to kill his son for his own gain.

And even more disturbing was Lot being ..... by his own daughters.

If you ask me, that is some crazy **** right there.

Well, it seems that you have gotten far enough to have come across a certain passage. Lets see what you think about what you have read ( just because your post intrigued me). So please humor me with a discussion if you will? Lets look at Genesis 14:18-20. What do you make of that?

I am fascinated with the Old Testament. It is extremely powerful in meaning. One cannot just read the words, but must think about the meanings of each thing that is happening and what the meaning is. Its too important to gloss over. So let us study this passage and come to a discussion about what it all means. It might be a lot deeper than it first appears?

So, what is the meaning of Genesis 14:18-20?

Anybody?
 

ccc

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i have 20 pages written by maximus the confessor about it but not in english.
Christ has risen!
 

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