The Reason(s) for Rudolf Hess's Suicide?

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Does anyone here know why exactly Rudolf Hess (who was Hitler's deputy up to 1941) committed suicide in Spandau Prison in 1987 (at the whopping age of 93) when there was speculation that Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev might agree to release him? Thus, why didn't Hess wait a little longer and try living long enough to see what Gorbachev will do? After all, it seems extremely wasteful to spend 40+ years in prison only to commit suicide when one might get released soon.

I did read about some conspiracy theories that Hess was murdered; however, I haven't really researched or studied these theories in great detail.
 
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Maybe he had "Brooke syndrome" (Shawshank redemption)
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AoVrIlXj5U]The Shawshank Redemption - Brooks Suicide in Slow Disclosure - YouTube[/ame]
 
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There was a lot in the papers at the time I recall suggesting murder but it seems have died down altogether over the years. There's still the odd programme showing the method was physically impossible by yourself (cant remember any detail)
 
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There is no reason to murder him.

Perhaps no reason for you to murder him.

The greater question for me, and for historians, is what was the purpose pf Hess's trip to Scotland? Was it really as those in power portrayed it? That is the controversy that has never been resolved for those that doubt the official story.
 
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From Wolf Hess, Rudolph's son:

On the basis of Prof. Spann's autopsy report, the affidavits of the Tunisian medical orderly and the South African attorney, as well as the supposed "suicide letter," I can only conclude that the death of Rudolf Hess on the afternoon of August 17, 1987, was not suicide. It was murder.

Although US authorities were officially in charge of the Allied Military Prison in Berlin-Spandau in August 1987, it is noteworthy that British citizens played such a major role in the final act of the Hess drama. The American director, Mr. Keane, was permitted by the British merely to call me and inform me of my father's death. After that his only duty was to keep his mouth shut.

To sum up here:

The two men the Tunisian orderly Melaouhi saw in American uniform, who were most probably Rudolf Hess' murderers, were from a British SAS regiment.

The death was established in the British Military Hospital, to where my father was brought in a British ambulance.

The death certificate is signed only by British military personnel.
The autopsy was carried out by a British Pathologist.

The British prison director, Mr. Antony Le Tissier, supervised the prompt destruction of all tell-tale evidence, such as the electric cable, the garden house, and so forth.

The officials of the Special Investigation Branch (SIB) that investigated the death were all British citizens, and were headed by a British major.

The alleged "suicide note" was supposedly found two days later in the pocket of Hess' jacket by a British officer, and was examined by a British laboratory.

Mr. Allan Green, the British Director of Public Prosecution, halted an investigation into my father's death begun by Scotland Yard, which had recommed a "full scale murder investigation" after officials there had found many inconsistencies.

Rudolf Hess did not commit suicide on August 17, 1987, as the British government claims. The weight of evidence shows instead that British officials, acting on high-level orders, murdered my father.

A Crime Against Truth
The same government, which tried to make him a scapegoat for its crimes,

and which for almost half a century resolutely sought to suppress the truth of the Hess affair,

(my bolding)

finally did not shrink from murder to silence him. My father's murder was not only a crime against a frail and elderly man, but a crime against historical truth. It was a logical final act of an official British conspiracy that began in 1941, at the outset of the Hess affair.

The Life and Death of My Father, Rudolf Hess
 
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If Britain wanted him dead, why did it wait so long?

I think Hess just offed himself.
 
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My neighbour in Wales was an ex-sergeant in the RMP and was in Berlin at the time and was a scene of crimes officer. He said it was suicide and the thing that finally 'pushed him over the edge' as it were was that the US authorities gave him an African American warder.
 

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Hess was mentally unstable and made several suicide attempts over the years.

As to why he would be murdered, I haven't seen any reason that makes sense.

If Hess knew secrets that would embarrass the UK government, then he could have been quietly killed in 1945. An apparent suicide by Hess in 1945, when senior Nazis were killing themselves left right and centre, would have attracted little interest at the time and none in the decades that followed.

Hess was handed over by the UK to be put on trial at Nuremberg. At that trial Hess was able to reveal secret information that seriously embarrassed the Soviets. He could have revealed anything else he knew at the same time.

Hess spent more than 40 years in prison. During that time he was alternately guarded by the Americans, French, British and Soviets. Hess could have revealed anything he knew to any of those governments.

Hess had visits by his family. He could have revealed anything he knew to them.

Hess had contact with Albert Speer, who managed to write a book and smuggle it out of Spandau. Hess could have revealed anything he knew to Speer.

I can't understand why Hess would have been murdered in the 80s. It was more difficult, his death attracted more attention, and any information he had was 40 years out of date and about people who were already dead.

Murdering Hess in 1945 to shut him up would be logical. Murdering him in the 1980s wouldn't be.
 
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I dont think that he could have revealed any new information, because as it was said above, he had plenty of possibilities to do it before.. But maybe, he just wanted to die, but because of his condition, he couldnt do it by himself so he might have asked the guards to help him. For me its a logical answer, because i dont believe, that anyone could want him killed after so many years.
 
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The greater question for me, and for historians, is what was the purpose pf Hess's trip to Scotland? Was it really as those in power portrayed it? That is the controversy that has never been resolved for those that doubt the official story.

I thought this had been resolved?

The real reason for Hess' mission was that he hoped to arrange a peace deal between Germany and the British. But the Churchill government wanted to continue the war at all costs, so they quickly had him arrested and suppressed any information about his mission. Instead they tried to discredit him by saying he was 'mad', etc.

They did this because they feared that if the British people had really known the truth, that there was a credible offer of peace in May 1941, the Churchill government might have been kicked out. Hess brought with him a draft peace treaty committing Hitler to the evacuation of occupied European countries. Made public, this would have destroyed Churchill’s campaign to bring the United States into the war.

Of course, once news got back to Germany that the deal had failed, it was easy for Hitler to simply disown Hess and pretend that it was the action of a man acting alone, so that the failure of the mission did not reflect badly on himself.

There was a book about this released recently, if I remember rightly. It can be found here:

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My only complaint is that the crazy Nazi scumbag took so long to do the world a favour by dying -he had a much more comfortable end than the millions of innocent people on whom he and his Nazi mate Hitler & co inflicted multiple death and misery on .between 1933-45.
And all those conspiracy theorists who try to make Hess some kind of victim should try employing their brain cells on some nobler enterprise.
Hess was a victim of nothing but his own National Socialist delusions=self inflicted.
 
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I thought this had been resolved?

The real reason for Hess' mission was that he hoped to arrange a peace deal between Germany and the British. But the Churchill government wanted to continue the war at all costs, so they quickly had him arrested and suppressed any information about his mission. Instead they tried to discredit him by saying he was 'mad', etc.

They did this because they feared that if the British people had really known the truth, that there was a credible offer of peace in May 1941, the Churchill government might have been kicked out. Hess brought with him a draft peace treaty committing Hitler to the evacuation of occupied European countries. Made public, this would have destroyed Churchill’s campaign to bring the United States into the war.

Of course, once news got back to Germany that the deal had failed, it was easy for Hitler to simply disown Hess and pretend that it was the action of a man acting alone, so that the failure of the mission did not reflect badly on himself.

There was a book about this released recently, if I remember rightly. It can be found here:

Hess, Hitler and Churchill: The Real Turning Point of the Second World War - a Secret History: Amazon.co.uk: Peter Padfield: Books

That's been one of the more popular theories over the years, but that's where it stands, a popular theory. It hasn't changed the history books nor will it, without enough support. Certainly, the official version has a very fishy odor, and has always been a big question mark.
 

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Hess wanted to arrange a peace deal between Britain and Germany so that Germany could free up forces for the invasion of the Soviet Union.

There was no serious support for peace in Britain because Hitler had proved, repeatedly, that any treaty he signed lasted only as long as suited him. Any peace would have been temporary.
 
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I'm going to guess that he killed himself because he could not live with himself any longer.

If one were to object that Hess wasn't that bad of a guy, then he must admit that Hess knew more about that subject than he does, or perhaps, just had higher standards.

After all, he was a high ranking Nazi.
 
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Hop You are spot on. the Duke of Hamilton's son, frmer Scottish Tory MP Lord James douglas Hamilton -now Lord Selkirk has gone on public record as saying that's what his Dad the Duke of Hamilton told him a to why Hess flew to see im .HE had the deluded idea that Britain might be interested in a peace deal which would free up extra resoursces for Operation Barabarossa in June 1941.
But Lord Selkirk also explained that his Dad the then Duke of amilton was hugely admired by Hess because the Duke when known as the Marquis of Clydesdale in 1933 had been the first pilot to fly over Mount Everest in 1933.
Hess gave this as a reason as why he had selected the Duke to visit.
Any suggestion that the Duke of Hamilton was pro-Nazi simply does not stand up as when Hess asked to see the Duke the latter was the CO at RAF Turnhouse, Edinburgh Fighter Command staition and another three of the Duke's brothers were flying in combat with the RAF WHEN hESS LANDED.
Which is why the present Lord Selkirk authored an excellent book on the air war over Malta 1941-43 in which one of his Uncles flew Spitfieres.
 
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The real reason for Hess' mission was that he hoped to arrange a peace deal between Germany and the British. But the Churchill government wanted to continue the war at all costs, so they quickly had him arrested and suppressed any information about his mission. Instead they tried to discredit him by saying he was 'mad', etc.

They did this because they feared that if the British people had really known the truth, that there was a credible offer of peace in May 1941, the Churchill government might have been kicked out. Hess brought with him a draft peace treaty committing Hitler to the evacuation of occupied European countries. Made public, this would have destroyed Churchill’s campaign to bring the United States into the war.
Hess did bring an offer of peace between Britain and Germany, but it was nothing like what you claim.
Here is part of the transcript of the the interrogation of Hess after his capture where he details the so-called offer
(taken from the British government file FO 371/34484)

(i) That Germany should be given a free hand in Europe.

(ii) That England should have a free hand in the British Empire, except that the ex-
German colonies should be returned to Germany.

(iii) That Russia should be included in Asia, but that Germany had certain demands to
make of Russia which would have to be satisfied either by negotiation or as the result
of war. There was, however, no truth in the rumours that the Führer contemplated an
early attack on Russia.

(iv) That the British should evacuate Iraq.

(v) The peace agreement would have to contain a provision for the reciprocal
indemnification of British and German Nationals, whose property had been
expropriated as the result of war.

(vi) The proposal could only be considered on the understanding that it was
negotiated by Germany with an English Government other than the present British
Government. Mr. Churchill, who had planned the war since 1936, and his colleagues,
who had lent themselves to his war policy, were not persons with whom the Führer
would negotiate.

Hess concluded by emphasising that the Führer really wanted a permanent understanding with
Great Britain on a basis which preserved the British Empire intact. His own flight was
intended to give Great Britain a chance of opening conversations without loss of prestige. If
this chance were to be rejected it would be the Führer’s duty to destroy Great Britain utterly
and to keep the country after the war in a state of permanent subjection.
 
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Royalhill-sorry dear chap but your claim tht Churchill might hve been kicked out because of some half baked Nazi peace offer in 1941 is utter fantasy .THERE was more chance of you dating a female dinosaur than that scenario ever happening in 1941 or any other year .
Please note the month that Hess landed in Scotland -May 1941 the Luftwaffe on May 10 mounted one their last and month devastating air raids on Londonso anybody publicly advocating such a peace deal in London in May 1941 woyuld have been lynched by the working class Londoners who suffered most from the Blitz.
There was nobody remotely likely to take over from Churchil in 1941 so I wonder what source you base that suggestion on?who do you think was going to replace him?-a name please.?
 

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