Today in White History (July 21)

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Then Scourge, let me say this. I do not love my race, nor any other race. I love people, I love all species this planet contains, I love what could be found out in space.

Nothing has a little more love than another. I love that everyone is different.

I do not think talking about racism should be banned, however. How can we enlighten ourselves, if certain topics become taboo? It gives us an opportunity to explore other's minds, and perhaps understand more of the causes of racial, gender, orientation, and all sorts of prejudice.

How does one expect to learn, if one never asks?
I totally agree with the part about the race, i also dont care who is german or slavic. Not before a few weeks a danish represetetive in europen union parlimant said that Romanians and Bulgarians being slavic are less intelligent then western and central europens, which i believe was very racist and ignorent statement.

However, it is banned people to decline holocaust, do you think that it should be allowed? To me racism and talk that one race is supirior then other is the same like to decline the holocaust.
 
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Having pride in your race is not a childish idea. That is ridiculous at best to say.

OK, let's say I have pride in my race. Am I not then also obliged to feel shame at the genocide, slavery, discrimination, whatever you call it - you know - the bad stuff? Having searched my very soul just now, I have found no shame in regard to the aforementioned. Howzzabout you?

I suppose, in a way, to be a human is to be a hypocrite. But one doesn't have to revel in it.
 
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Do you mean banned politically in your country, or banned on these forums?
I think that its a very shorthanded to even begin to believe that the holocaust never occurred. You know, ignoring all the skeletal remains, confessions of both nazi's and victims, and the rest of the evidence.

I do not think the person should be shut up. Merely ignored, and have their ignorance countered, presenting them with the evidence, and either shutting them up, or showing others that the said person is naught but a fool.

A man once confronted Buzz Aldrin, and accused him of being a coward, a liar, and a thief. The then 72(i believe)year old retired astronaut proceeded to punch him in the face for such an inslut.

Imagine if a holocaust denier popped in at a death camp survivor gathering. Id imagine similar reactions like Buzz'.
 
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I love the fact that you accept cultural discrimination. I do not like it nor tolerate and I am proud to be white and I believe we must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children. When a culture likes to sit around and say its alright to discriminate against one race IE whites and not blacks or Hispanics is something I will not tolerate and I will never ever stop pointing out faults of the others if this is what it is going to come to. That is a threat to white culture and white people by and large; by saying its alright to accept "reverse discrimination" yet if I said something ANYTHING about blacks I'd probably be banned off the forum and accused of being a racist.

Since when is it politically correct to point out oh John Dillinger got shot in 1934 or the Nazis killed jews in 1942 or some black guy got the .... beat out of him by cops? I for one find that offensive; as it saying that whites are criminals. Maybe next time I'll just point out the crips and bloods in an attempt to be politically correct.

I accept cultural discrimination in what way? You criticized a poster for simply posting some history, why do you want to censor history?

"Secure the existence of our people and a future for white children"

So basically keep ethnic minorities out of the white gene pool. Here's some history, you have ideological similarities with Hitler! By spewing this crap you are going to be associated with Nazis and white supremacists, justifiably so. There isn't a race war going on because on a message board someone posted some atrocities that so happened to be committed by whites, welcome to reality.

Here is some other white history. Under Richard Nixon, affirmative action was introduced. Since you are so hung up on race and let your emotional ignorance overcome sense, by your logic, the white culture brought this on themselves. Is there reverse discrimination going on? Yes but it is simply a political matter, is it wrong? Yes, but so many things the government does is wrong that it is silly to be hung up on something so minimal and so easy to stop.

I don't have a problem with pointing out atrocities committed by those of African descent but you did it in response to someone speaking out against atrocities committed by Caucasians. Your actions were out of anger and the difference between him pointing out white atrocities and you pointing out black atrocities is, he was just contributing to the thread, you took it for more than it was.

Whites are criminals, so are blacks, so are people with blonde hair, so are people with black hair. Every race has criminals and some races may happen to commit more crimes on average than others but there is no point to collectivize it in that way. Your skin color doesn't play into your subjective decisions anymore than your hair color does.

I wouldn't be surprised if you call me a "n***** loving Jew"
 
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Why are you proud to be white?
Why are others proud to be black?
Why are so many proud to be born in their country?

Why should anyone be proud of something they were born with?

Did you do something to earn being white? Black? American? German?

Why can't we all just be proud of what we do as individuals, and what others do as individuals?
Great post!

I'm proud that i am White! It's my race and i love my race to the core! I love how the the technoghy achivements we have coqued,but there is one thing i am not proud about the White race for.

Why are others proud to be black? I think it is more like this:Why are others not proud to be Black?
There is evidence that alot of young Dark African .....,that hate there skin colur cause how us whites protray that white skin is much better! And I think that's just awful for a young .... to hate her skin colur cause of one race saying that it's not as good as our colur!
I am abit shame of my race that some Africans hate there skin colur cause of us whites protraying what skin is better.

I'm sorry if it's offensive to whies or Blacks but I said it has best as I could in an honurable way!
 
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Bulgaria
Do you mean banned politically in your country, or banned on these forums?
I think that its a very shorthanded to even begin to believe that the holocaust never occurred. You know, ignoring all the skeletal remains, confessions of both nazi's and victims, and the rest of the evidence.

I do not think the person should be shut up. Merely ignored, and have their ignorance countered, presenting them with the evidence, and either shutting them up, or showing others that the said person is naught but a fool.

A man once confronted Buzz Aldrin, and accused him of being a coward, a liar, and a thief. The then 72(i believe)year old retired astronaut proceeded to punch him in the face for such an inslut.

Imagine if a holocaust denier popped in at a death camp survivor gathering. Id imagine similar reactions like Buzz'.

I want to be banned in the forum, but not in the country. Freedom of speech is important, and shouldnt be banned.
I think there is racism in all of us. Just by saying "Im proud to be white", people already made a difference between race.
People may say "Im proud to be british" or "Im proud to be american", that is called patriotism, and it is okay its good thing, but if somebody say "Im proud to be white", now this doesnt sound patriotical, this is pure racism.

Besides i see that people make difference, they say "Im proud to be white" but they dont see hispanics as white, you dont call them whites, you call them hispanics. Then there are the asians, are they considered white by you people? I want to know what do you people definate as "white"?
Those questions are not only for you Andrew but for all "proud" white guys and ......
 
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Do you mean banned politically in your country, or banned on these forums?
I think that its a very shorthanded to even begin to believe that the holocaust never occurred. You know, ignoring all the skeletal remains, confessions of both nazi's and victims, and the rest of the evidence.

I do not think the person should be shut up. Merely ignored, and have their ignorance countered, presenting them with the evidence, and either shutting them up, or showing others that the said person is naught but a fool.

A man once confronted Buzz Aldrin, and accused him of being a coward, a liar, and a thief. The then 72(i believe)year old retired astronaut proceeded to punch him in the face for such an inslut.

Imagine if a holocaust denier popped in at a death camp survivor gathering. Id imagine similar reactions like Buzz'.

I think he's referring to David Irvine ? the British historian ? who wrote a book denying the holocaust and was arrested and sentanced to a jail term in Austria (I think)
Two wrongs don't make a right or something like that....
 
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I slightly agree with Emma O here. Slightly because I would also add "Time period" to the list of qualities that link a certain group based history.
Indeed, time period is important as well but I neglected to mention it on purpose because talking about history in itself demands that we set a time frame. :)
 
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A tiny hamlet in the Carolina Sandhills
I accept cultural discrimination in what way? You criticized a poster for simply posting some history, why do you want to censor history?

"Secure the existence of our people and a future for white children"

So basically keep ethnic minorities out of the white gene pool. Here's some history, you have ideological similarities with Hitler! By spewing this crap you are going to be associated with Nazis and white supremacists, justifiably so. There isn't a race war going on because on a message board someone posted some atrocities that so happened to be committed by whites, welcome to reality.

Here is some other white history. Under Richard Nixon, affirmative action was introduced. Since you are so hung up on race and let your emotional ignorance overcome sense, by your logic, the white culture brought this on themselves. Is there reverse discrimination going on? Yes but it is simply a political matter, is it wrong? Yes, but so many things the government does is wrong that it is silly to be hung up on something so minimal and so easy to stop.

I don't have a problem with pointing out atrocities committed by those of African descent but you did it in response to someone speaking out against atrocities committed by Caucasians. Your actions were out of anger and the difference between him pointing out white atrocities and you pointing out black atrocities is, he was just contributing to the thread, you took it for more than it was.

Whites are criminals, so are blacks, so are people with blonde hair, so are people with black hair. Every race has criminals and some races may happen to commit more crimes on average than others but there is no point to collectivize it in that way. Your skin color doesn't play into your subjective decisions anymore than your hair color does.

I wouldn't be surprised if you call me a "n***** loving Jew"

An eloquent post. Thank you.
 
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I want to be banned in the forum, but not in the country. Freedom of speech is important, and shouldnt be banned.
I think there is racism in all of us. Just by saying "Im proud to be white", people already made a difference between race.
People may say "Im proud to be british" or "Im proud to be american", that is called patriotism, and it is okay its good thing, but if somebody say "Im proud to be white", now this doesnt sound patriotical, this is pure racism.

Besides i see that people make difference, they say "Im proud to be white" but they dont see hispanics as white, you dont call them whites, you call them hispanics. Then there are the asians, are they considered white by you people? I want to know what do you people definate as "white"?
Those questions are not only for you Andrew but for all "proud" white guys and ......
White is cocasian race!
Every one should love there race no matter what! Also,I would preferr to have darker skin but I was born white,so I should love the skin I am in!So should the real dark people,should love there dark skin!
Just cause i love and proud to be white,that does not mean I look down apond other races!
If you dislike you're own race,how can you love you're own children?
 
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White is cocasian race!
Every one should love there race no matter what! Also,I would preferr to have darker skin but I was born white,so I should love the skin I am in!So should the real dark people,should love there dark skin!
Just cause i love and proud to be white,that does not mean I look down apond other races!
If you dislike you're own race,how can you love you're own children?
Thats how it was started, somebody said that he is proud with his race, then some people undertood him wrong, they though there race is superior then the others.
Im proud to be alive, and to be here, i could have been borned black, white, asian, etc. but i wasn't, its not my choice. Im proud to be human ;)
People may be proud with themself, not with there colour, but with there action, there intelligence, there achivments.
What does my childrens have to do with all the race thing? Thats what i couldnt understand in your post.
 
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Sturm, for the record I never said I was a proud white man.
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Said I am not proud for being any color, nor proud for my race. I am proud of nothing.
(Dont want someone getting the wrong idea, with the way you worded that)

In tests in America, at least when you are younger, they always ask for race. Now, this disturbs me, because I have no idea why anyone would ask that on a test. Anyone know of the purpose of this?
 
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they do it because statistically african american students score lower than other races, mostly due to differences in location and culture, they grow up, on average, in places where education is less "important"
 
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they use the questions to track which races do the best in given regions, basically.
 
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actually there is no need to fight over a topic for white history and black history.... white represents the brighter side or the good side of anything & Black represents the Darker Side or the bad side of anything.... its as old as this world.... you cant change it nor i.... just accept the way it is.... Today in White History just gives the details of today's brighter history side thats it.... none offense to be taken...... if we stop using the way it is nothing changes we are the ones who look a lot different thats all....
 
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Another thing, people say they shouldn't feel guilty or sad for their race's past collective atrocities but then they go and take pride in their races past achievements. They think everyone else is holding a double standard when they themselves are holding one.
 
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There is a difference between facts and racism. The Dutch are the tallest people in Europe,Jewish people have a disproportionate level of nobel prizes in science... there are racial or cultural differences. I think sub saharan africans have by nature more strength than other peoples. Maybe they also have naturally lower IQ in general.. ( that is unproven, but a theory).

Racism only exists where people are treated differently on their race and not individual merit. So, even if there are differences, people should be treated with respect on their own merits.
 
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A tiny hamlet in the Carolina Sandhills
actually there is no need to fight over a topic for white history and black history.... white represents the brighter side or the good side of anything & Black represents the Darker Side or the bad side of anything.... its as old as this world.... you cant change it nor i.... just accept the way it is.... Today in White History just gives the details of today's brighter history side thats it.... none offense to be taken...... if we stop using the way it is nothing changes we are the ones who look a lot different thats all....

Right....Next!
 
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On a mountain top in Costa Rica. yeah...I win!!
In tests in America, at least when you are younger, they always ask for race. Now, this disturbs me, because I have no idea why anyone would ask that on a test. Anyone know of the purpose of this?
I assume you mean tests in schools (or other institutions) that are receiving funds from the Federal government. In these cases racial statistics are gathered so distribution of funds can be apportioned in accordance with those laws that spell out how monies will be distributed in order to achieve racial equity. (Sorry if that made me sound like a civil servant. I ain't.)
 
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