Top 5 generals of the Roman Republic

Who is your favourite general?

  • Gaius Julius Caesar

    Votes: 31 48.4%
  • Lucius Cornelius Sulla

    Votes: 5 7.8%
  • Gaius Marius

    Votes: 3 4.7%
  • Publius Cornelius Scipio Africanus

    Votes: 13 20.3%
  • Quintus Sertorius

    Votes: 3 4.7%
  • Lucius Licinius Lucullus

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus

    Votes: 4 6.3%
  • Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa

    Votes: 3 4.7%
  • Quintus Fabius Maximus Cunctator

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • Titus Labienus

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    64
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Who were, in your opinion, the (5)greatest generals of the Roman Republic - and why? You can also vote for your favourite general of the Roman Republic in the poll above.

My own list looks like this:

1. Gaius Julius Caesar.

A masterly general and a superb leader, Caesar conquered not only Gaul, Egypt and Pontus, but also the Roman Republic. He defeated competent military leaders such as Vercingetorix and Pompey Magnus, even when he was outnumbered 1-2. His victories at Alesia and Pharsalus were brilliant, as was the engineering behind the bridge across the Rhine.

2. Gaius Marius/Lucius Cornelius Sulla.

I've never been able to decide who I think was the better general out of Marius and Sulla, so I'll let them share the second place. Marius was a New Man from Arpinum who became consul no less than seven times - an unprecedented, not to mention illegal, feat. He defeated king Jugurtha of Numidia, even though it was actually Sulla who ended the war by personally capturing the king. A few years later, he defeated the Teutones and the Cimbri in the battles of Aquae Sextiae and Vercellae - despite being outnumbered 1-3. He also had some minor victories in the Social War. Moreover, the Marian reforms had a major impact on the Roman army, which became a considerably more effective fighting force.

In his youth, Sulla was the right-hand-man of Marius. He assisted him in the Jugurthine War and in the war against the Germanians. In the Social War, Sulla won the Grass Crown outside the walls of Nola, after which he became consul in 88 BC. As consul, he was appointed the supreme commander in the First Mithridatic War, but Sulpicius the Tribune of the Plebs stripped him of that command in the Plebeian Assembly and gave it to Marius. Outraged, Sulla marched on Rome, defeated Marius in a minor engagement and had him exiled. After that, Sulla left for the East, besieged Athens and defeated the Mithridatic forces in the battles of Chaeronea and Orchomenus - despite being outnumbered 1-3. Having beaten Mithridates, Sulla returned to Italy. An ally of the dead Marius, Gnaeus Papirius Carbo, had taken control of Rome and declared Sulla a public enemy, so Sulla literally fought his way to Rome, where he won the battle of the Colline Gate. After that he had himself appointed Dictator and lived happily ever after. Sort of.

3. Publius Cornelius Scipio Africanus.

His most famous victory is that against Hannibal at Zama, but an even more impressive feat is his campaign in Spain, which culminated in the battle of Ilipa in 206 BC. Heavily outnumbered, he fought his way through Carthaginian Spain and forced the Carthaginians to evacuate the country. About a decade after Zama, Scipio(together with his brother, Lucius) fought against Antiochus the Great, whom he defeated in the battle of Magnesia in 190 BC.

4. Quintus Sertorius.

One of the most able followers of Marius. He fought in the Jugurthine War and against the Germanians. When Sulla invaded Italy, he fled to Spain. There he was welcomed with open arms by the Lusitani, after which he started organizing resistance against Sulla. The Dictator(Sulla) responded by sending one of his most trusted generals, Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius the Piglet, to Spain, but Pius was unable to counter Sertorius' use of guerilla warfare. A few years and many Sertorian victories later, the Senate sent Pompey the Great to Spain. Contemptuously calling Pompey "Sulla's pupil", Sertorius trounced the forces of Pompey in the battle of Lauro, after which he almost captured Pompey during the battle of Sucro. Pius and Pompey joined their forces and engaged Sertorius at Saguntum, where they managed to win an indecisive victory. Realizing that he couldn't win the war, a desperate Pompey posted a fat reward on the head of Sertorius, who was murdered by one of his own men.

5. Lucius Licinius Lucullus.

Sulla's most ardent supporter, and also his most brilliant general. Lucullus fought together with Sulla in the First Mithridatic War, and was later appointed supreme commander in the Third Mithridatic War. Vastly outnumbered, Lucullus drove Mithridates out of Pontus and invaded Armenia. There he won the famous battle of Tigranocerta against the Armenian king, Tigranes the Great, after which he marched on the Armenian capital of Artaxata. However, his troops mutinied and refused to follow him, after which Pompey the Great took his command from him.
 
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A good list, but I thought I should say something on Scipio Africanus.

3. Publius Cornelius Scipio Africanus.

His most famous victory is that against Hannibal at Zama, but an even more impressive feat is his campaign in Spain, which culminated in the battle of Ilipa in 206 BC. Heavily outnumbered, he fought his way through Carthaginian Spain and forced the Carthaginians to evacuate the country. About a decade after Zama, Scipio(together with his brother, Lucius) fought against Antiochus the Great, whom he defeated in the battle of Magnesia in 190 BC.

At the battle of Magnesia, it was his brother Lucius who was in command, and most likely made the battle plan too, as Africanus himself was actually at Elea at the time of the battle, and did not take part in it.
 
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At the battle of Magnesia, it was his brother Lucius who was in command, and most likely made the battle plan too, as Africanus himself was actually at Elea at the time of the battle, and did not take part in it.

I know that Publius was his brother's legate, but considering Publius' reputation I figure that he got to do all the actual planning. However, I had no idea that Publius wasn't present at Magnesia! :eek:
 
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I know that Publius was his brother's legate, but considering Publius' reputation I figure that he got to do all the actual planning. However, I had no idea that Publius wasn't present at Magnesia! :eek:

Certainly Africanus would have helped with the campaign plan, but both Scullard and Gabriel agree in their biographies on Scipio he most likely didn't have anything to do with the victory at Magnesia in regards to planning and action of the battle. Lucius did himself credit!
 
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Certainly Africanus would have helped with the campaign plan, but both Scullard and Gabriel agree in their biographies on Scipio he most likely didn't have anything to do with the victory at Magnesia in regards to planning and action of the battle. Lucius did himself credit!

I see. Well, Magnesia isn't nearly as impressive as Ilipa or Zama, so I'll still rate Scipio Africanus as number 3 on my list. :)
 
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Here is number 6 on my list:

6. Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa.

A very, very New Man, Agrippa became the best friend of the young Gaius Octavius, more commonly known as Augustus. Still a teenager, Agrippa participated in the battle of Munda as a cadet, and Octavius soon realized that his friend had enormous potential. Agrippa became Octavius' right-hand-man and won most of Octavius' military victories. His most famous victory is, ofcourse, the naval battle of Actium in 31 BC, in which he defeated the forces of Marcus Antonius and Cleopatra. However, he also defeated Sextus Pompeius, youngest son of Pompey Magnus, in the naval battles of Mylae and Naulochus in 36 BC. These two battles were, however, only the culmination of a masterly engineering feat - in order to build his warships, Agrippa dug a channel that connected Lake Lucrino with the sea, thus turning Lake Lucrino into a port, Portus Julius, where he could build his ships and train his crews. Moreover, Agrippa created a new naval weapon called harpax. The harpax was a kind of grappling hook that basically allowed Agrippa to haul in enemy ships and board them. A brilliant admiral, Agrippa was also a splendid commander on land. He fought successfully against the Germanian tribes, and became the second Roman ever to cross the Rhine(Caesar was the first).
 
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Two names that are often overlooked are Marcus Claudius Marcellus and Scipio Aemilianus.
 
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Cn Pompeius Magnus seem to have been excluded here from mere propaganda, entirely aside of the facts; certainly the best commander of LC Sulla (hence the Magnus cognomen), victorious so many times where other commanders as competent as QC Metellus Pius and LL Lucullus ... and the only Roman commander that ever defeated CJ Caesar in any pitched battle.

Aside from the aforementioned, there were simply too many names; LQ Cincinatus, MF Camillus, M Curius Dentatus, MA Regulus, the Scipio brothers Publius & Cneo (Hispania PW2), QFM Cunctator, C Claudius Nero, Scipio Asiaticus, TQ Flamininus, LA Paullus Macedonicus, Metellus Numidicus, C. Marius, Pompeius Strabo, ML Crassus, T Labienus, M Antonius, C. Cassius Longinus, P. Ventidius Bassus among many, many more.

Strictly speaking, only those commanders that either faced each other or any common enemy can be properly compared ...

The relevant point here is that victory is the result of myriad factors, the commander being just one of them; that was especially true for the Republican Romans, because irrespectively of the commander in turn, they lost some battles, but never ever any single war all along a half millennium.
 
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Here is number 6 on my list:

6. Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa.

A very, very New Man, Agrippa became the best friend of the young Gaius Octavius, more commonly known as Augustus. Still a teenager, Agrippa participated in the battle of Munda as a cadet, and Octavius soon realized that his friend had enormous potential. Agrippa became Octavius' right-hand-man and won most of Octavius' military victories. His most famous victory is, ofcourse, the naval battle of Actium in 31 BC, in which he defeated the forces of Marcus Antonius and Cleopatra. However, he also defeated Sextus Pompeius, youngest son of Pompey Magnus, in the naval battles of Mylae and Naulochus in 36 BC. These two battles were, however, only the culmination of a masterly engineering feat - in order to build his warships, Agrippa dug a channel that connected Lake Lucrino with the sea, thus turning Lake Lucrino into a port, Portus Julius, where he could build his ships and train his crews. Moreover, Agrippa created a new naval weapon called harpax. The harpax was a kind of grappling hook that basically allowed Agrippa to haul in enemy ships and board them. A brilliant admiral, Agrippa was also a splendid commander on land. He fought successfully against the Germanian tribes, and became the second Roman ever to cross the Rhine(Caesar was the first).
This is my Guy right here. I believe that he might warrant a little higher, but it can be all subjective as you have some quality men on this list.
 
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Two names that are often overlooked are Marcus Claudius Marcellus and Scipio Aemilianus.

True, but they don't really belong on the top 5 list. By the way, what did Scipio Aemilianus ever achieve that was so amazing? His agnomina Africanus and Numantinus basically tell what he achieved: He conquered a weakened Carthage and a Spanish town of some 5,000 inhabitants. I just don't get whats so amazing about that. But sure, he is actually number 7 on my top 10 list, so I'm gonna make a post about him in this thread soon.

This is my Guy right here. I believe that he might warrant a little higher, but it can be all subjective as you have some quality men on this list.

Yeah, I really like Agrippa. He achieved great things, but he never won a truly amazing land victory like my top-5-men did, which is why I place him as number 6.
 
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My own list looks like this:

1. Gaius Julius Caesar.

2. Gaius Marius/Lucius Cornelius Sulla.

3. Publius Cornelius Scipio Africanus.

4. Quintus Sertorius.

5. Lucius Licinius Lucullus.

When I saw the title of the topic I wanted to put the same list, but as I see, the author of this thread did it first ;) However from the Gaius Marius/Lucius Cornelius Sulla duet, I rate Marius higher than Sulla.
 
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Cn Pompeius Magnus seem to have been excluded here from mere propaganda, entirely aside of the facts; certainly the best commander of LC Sulla (hence the Magnus cognomen), victorious so many times where other commanders as competent as QC Metellus Pius and LL Lucullus ... and the only Roman commander that ever defeated CJ Caesar in any pitched battle.

Pompey isn't excluded - he is number 8 on my list, so I'll make a post about him in this thread soon. Anyhow, as you're well aware by now, Pompey was far from Sulla's best general; that title goes to the eminently able Lucius Licinius Lucullus without saying. As for the Piglet, I wouldn't say he was better than Pompey, but he wasn't far behind. Oh, and the name "Magnus" was an ironic joke on Sulla's part - a joke!
 
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To everyone who thinks that Pompey Magnus should be on the top 5 list: I recently posted this in another thread, but it fits here too - hopefully it will change your opinion about Pompey, so enjoy!

Pompey Parvus - oops! I mean Magnus, Magnus! - is one of the most overrated men of the Roman Republic. A Picentine upstart with no respect for the mos maiorum, Pompey did much to further erode the customs and traditions of the Republic. People praise his "military genious", whereas in actual fact he was a decent general at best.

Lets take a look at the military record of Pompey. He started his military career by fighting for Sulla in Africa and on Sicily, where he did quite well. His speed and efficency were admired, as was his talent for organization. His ruthlesness and cruelty quickly earned him the nickname "Kid Butcher".

A few years later, Pompey was awarded with the command in the war against Quintus Sertorius in Spain. Confident in his own ability, Pompey engaged Sertorius in a pitched battle at Lauro - and got trounced. In the following years, Sertorius continued to humiliate Pompey utterly in the field, and almost managed to capture him during the battle of Sucro. Pompey then joined forces with one of Sulla's most experienced and underrated generals, Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius the Piglet. Pius and Pompey defeated Sertorius in an indecisive battle at Saguntum, but, realizing that he couldn't win the war, a desperate Pompey posted a fat reward on the head of Sertorius, who was then murdered by one of his own men. Good fight, Pompey?

Having returned from Spain, Pompey(who had not yet entered the Senate!) brought his legions to Rome and blackmailed the Senate into making him consul. Ofcourse, this was a huge offense against the mos maiorum, but with Pompey's veteran legions outside the city walls, the Senate didn't really have much of a choice. Go Pompey the Traitor!

Claiming to be the First man in Rome, Pompey now sought the command in the war against the pirates of the Mediterranean sea. One of his tame Tribunes of the Plebs(I've forgotten his name) gave it to him in the Plebeian Assembly, and Pompey then defeated the pirates in an extraordinarily speedy campaign. Great job, Pompey? Not really. The pirates had become an enormous nuisance(they had even attacked Ostia), and consequently the Senate offered Pompey rather unlimited resources - if I remember correctly, he was given over 500 warships. Thus, it would have been difficult for him not to win that war.

Meanwhile in the East, the eminently able Lucius Licinius Lucullus was waging war with the kings of Pontus and Armenia, Mithridates and Tigranes the Great. Wanting even more glory, Pompey used another tame Tribune of the Plebs, who stripped Lucullus of his command in the Plebeian Assembly and gave it to Pompey. When Pompey arrived in the East, Lucullus had driven Mithridates out of Pontus and forced him to seek refuge at the court of his ally, Tigranes. Furthermore, Lucullus had marched into Armenia and won a decisive victory against Tigranes near the new Armenian capital of Tigranocerta. However, when Lucullus marched on the traditional capital of Armenia, Artaxata, his troops mutinied and refused to follow him. So when Pompey arrived in the East, Lucullus called him a vulture feeding on the work of others - after which Pompey won a small victory against Mithridates, who then fled and comitted suicide, whereas Tigranes simply surrendered. Awesome job, Pompey!

Not yet satisfied with the erosion of the mos maiorum he had already caused, Pompey now went ahead and formed the First Triumvirate together with Caesar and Crassus. Then Crassus got himself killed at Carrhae and Caesar crossed the Rubicon. Pompey actually killed a few hundred of Caesar's soldiers in the skirmish of Dyrrachium, and then Caesar - outnumbered 1-2 - defeated Pompey decisively at Pharsalus. Way to go, Pompey the Overrated!

To conclude, Pompey never did anything to deserve the name "Magnus"(which was by the way given to him by Sulla as an ironic joke). The real credit for "his" greatest victories should go to Metellus Pius the Piglet and Lucullus. Maybe Pompey the Great should really be... Pompey Parvus - the vulture who fed on the work of others?
 
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Pompey isn't excluded - he is number 8 on my list, so I'll make a post about him in this thread soon. Anyhow, as you're well aware by now, Pompey was far from Sulla's best general; that title goes to the eminently able Lucius Licinius Lucullus without saying. As for the Piglet, I wouldn't say he was better than Pompey, but he wasn't far behind. Oh, and the name "Magnus" was an ironic joke on Sulla's part - a joke!
From the Classical sources that I have read on this issue, I'm well aware that Cn Pompeis Magnus was the best general of LC Sulla in his own opinion, and that the "ironic joke" far fetched hypothesis explanation simply makes no sense at all ...
To everyone who thinks that Pompey Magnus should be on the top 5 list: I recently posted this in another thread, but it fits here too - hopefully it will change your opinion about Pompey, so enjoy!

Pompey Parvus - oops! I mean Magnus, Magnus! - is one of the most overrated men of the Roman Republic. A Picentine upstart with no respect for the mos maiorum, Pompey did much to further erode the customs and traditions of the Republic. People praise his "military genious", whereas in actual fact he was a decent general at best.

Lets take a look at the military record of Pompey. He started his military career by fighting for Sulla in Africa and on Sicily, where he did quite well. His speed and efficency were admired, as was his talent for organization. His ruthlesness and cruelty quickly earned him the nickname "Kid Butcher".

A few years later, Pompey was awarded with the command in the war against Quintus Sertorius in Spain. Confident in his own ability, Pompey engaged Sertorius in a pitched battle at Lauro - and got trounced. In the following years, Sertorius continued to humiliate Pompey utterly in the field, and almost managed to capture him during the battle of Sucro. Pompey then joined forces with one of Sulla's most experienced and underrated generals, Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius the Piglet. Pius and Pompey defeated Sertorius in an indecisive battle at Saguntum, but, realizing that he couldn't win the war, a desperate Pompey posted a fat reward on the head of Sertorius, who was then murdered by one of his own men. Good fight, Pompey?

Having returned from Spain, Pompey(who had not yet entered the Senate!) brought his legions to Rome and blackmailed the Senate into making him consul. Ofcourse, this was a huge offense against the mos maiorum, but with Pompey's veteran legions outside the city walls, the Senate didn't really have much of a choice. Go Pompey the Traitor!

Claiming to be the First man in Rome, Pompey now sought the command in the war against the pirates of the Mediterranean sea. One of his tame Tribunes of the Plebs(I've forgotten his name) gave it to him in the Plebeian Assembly, and Pompey then defeated the pirates in an extraordinarily speedy campaign. Great job, Pompey? Not really. The pirates had become an enormous nuisance(they had even attacked Ostia), and consequently the Senate offered Pompey rather unlimited resources - if I remember correctly, he was given over 500 warships. Thus, it would have been difficult for him not to win that war.

Meanwhile in the East, the eminently able Lucius Licinius Lucullus was waging war with the kings of Pontus and Armenia, Mithridates and Tigranes the Great. Wanting even more glory, Pompey used another tame Tribune of the Plebs, who stripped Lucullus of his command in the Plebeian Assembly and gave it to Pompey. When Pompey arrived in the East, Lucullus had driven Mithridates out of Pontus and forced him to seek refuge at the court of his ally, Tigranes. Furthermore, Lucullus had marched into Armenia and won a decisive victory against Tigranes near the new Armenian capital of Tigranocerta. However, when Lucullus marched on the traditional capital of Armenia, Artaxata, his troops mutinied and refused to follow him. So when Pompey arrived in the East, Lucullus called him a vulture feeding on the work of others - after which Pompey won a small victory against Mithridates, who then fled and comitted suicide, whereas Tigranes simply surrendered. Awesome job, Pompey!

Not yet satisfied with the erosion of the mos maiorum he had already caused, Pompey now went ahead and formed the First Triumvirate together with Caesar and Crassus. Then Crassus got himself killed at Carrhae and Caesar crossed the Rubicon. Pompey actually killed a few hundred of Caesar's soldiers in the skirmish of Dyrrachium, and then Caesar - outnumbered 1-2 - defeated Pompey decisively at Pharsalus. Way to go, Pompey the Overrated!

To conclude, Pompey never did anything to deserve the name "Magnus"(which was by the way given to him by Sulla as an ironic joke). The real credit for "his" greatest victories should go to Metellus Pius the Piglet and Lucullus. Maybe Pompey the Great should really be... Pompey Parvus - the vulture who fed on the work of others?
Déjà vu;
... Absolutely not a single Classical source posted or linked to support this poorly designed pro-Caesarian propaganda ...

("Poorly designed" because it actually doesn't promote CJ Caesar's glory; quite the opposite :) :) :cool:)

PS: to avoid derailing this nice thread any more, a rather relevant Classical source on this issue can be reviewed within the post #40 of this ongoing related thread http://www.historum.com/ancient-history/26384-pompey-great-overrated-underrated-4.html .
 
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Agreed with the majority here; Caesar no contest.

Not to nitpick but the results of this poll would've been more interesting if the best (or at least, best known) general of the Republic had been left out...
 
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Were I forced to pick some options here, my first choices would be:

- C. Sertorius, due to the amazing deeds that he was able to accomplish with a predominantly non-Roman army :) :) :)

- Q Fabius Maximus Cunctator, because he was wise enough to perceive the only potentially effective strategy against a currently directly invincible enemy, in spite of its obvious unpopularity :) :) :)
 
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From the Classical sources that I have read on this issue, I'm well aware that Cn Pompeis Magnus was the best general of LC Sulla in his own opinion, and that the "ironic joke" far fetched hypothesis explanation simply makes no sense at all ...

See my response in the other thread.

Absolutely not a single Classical source posted or linked to support this poorly designed pro-Caesarian propaganda

Thats because it's not pro-Caesarean propaganda. What I wrote in that post are facts. Do you deny that Sertorius beat Pompey at Lauro and almost captured him at Sucro? Do you deny that Lucullus drove Mithridates out of Pontus, invaded Armenia and won the battle of Tigranocerta? What exactly is it that you deny?

Poorly designed" because it actually doesn't promote CJ Caesar's glory; quite the opposite

Again, it's not pro-Caesarean propaganda. And just for the record, I despise Caesar, so I'm not trying to enhance his glory in any way.

PS: to avoid derailing this nice thread any more, a rather relevant Classical source on this issue can be reviewed within the post #40 of this ongoing related thread

Yeah, it'd be great if we could keep this discussion in the other thread instead. Thanks.

Not to nitpick but the results of this poll would've been more interesting if the best (or at least, best known) general of the Republic had been left out...

You have a point there, but this thread is for discussing the top 5, or even top 10, generals of the Roman Republic, not just number 1. :)
 
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Then you should have made us able to select more than option :think:
 
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Then you should have made us able to select more than option

Well, it's not just about voting. The discussions are much more interesting. :)
 

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