Trinity, God and individualism
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Joined Dec 2010
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Actually I'm looking for Silkroad to reference his assertions about Graves' concept of the maiden,mother,crone, in that they are an ancient, common mother goddess triune. He did mention Shama, Sin and Ishtar. I know there have been other triads, if not in the Christin sense. But thanks for your help.
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Artemis (especially of Ephesus) seemed to be both a virgin and mother-having many ......s which symbolize her fertility. Not sure about crone though.
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Do you want me to source the various trinities in different mythologies? Then just read them. Or, do you want me to quote sources that pre-date Graves use of the concept “Virgin-Mother-Crone”?
Surely, trinities such as Hinduism’s Brahma the creator, Vishnu the preserver, and Shiva the destroyer pre-date Graves.
Let’s remember that I mentioned the V-M-C trinity only as one of many and certainly not as the only possible pre-cursor to the xtian model of the God-Spirit-Savior model. This is akin to the Egyptian model and the Babylonian trinity also pre-dates xtian ideas.
Concerning Graves, his scholarship regarding the White Goddess is based on authors who lived before him and his discovery of a pattern in Greek mythology does not mean he created that pattern either.
What then would you like me to source? Graves research? Greek and Sumerian, Babylonian, or maybe ancient Arab traditions concerning the trinity of Al-Lat, Al-Uzza and Manat?
Start with Briffault, Robert. The Mothers. NY: McMillan 1927. He pre-dates Graves by close to 30 years.
It seems it was not very correctly explained to you, because the Triune God is meant to be undivided and without parts, the Persons are meant to be consubstantial etc. It is impossible to find correct analogies for the Holy Trinity, and in what I am concerned, I see no points in trying to make such analogies.
Neither this analogy is correct, in fact it looks more like the heresy of Sabellius [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabellianism]Sabellianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame], which is anathematized by the Holy Church.
This is what I love about discussions about the Trinity: you can't say a thing without being declared a heretic.
From a strictly religious point of view, and if you express unorthodox opinions, yes, because faith is not a matter of opinion. But as long as someone obstinately refuses to obey the teachings of the Holy Church, and wishes to be separated from her, I don't understand why that person would care.
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It's just an explanation with the intention to make an example of which, but, I know that it's beyond me. I just believe in the Holy Trinity.
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Minnesnowta
Can space exist without time? The argument from the OP seems to be based on three spacial dimensions being necessary for existence.
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Thank you very much for the correction, and I agree with you. This is beyond the limits of our recognition. The only thing is that I kinda pointed this out when I said the thing about 3D vs 2D beings. We are 2D compared with God who is a 3D/4D/5D etc.. Therefore, he simply stated the truth, but we can not comprehend it.
But you are right. I probably should not have even made the analogy. Thank you Ficino.
If you meant the punishment for heresy, from the spiritual perspective of the Holy Church, to be put under anathema is the most severe, one more severe doesn't exist (Galatians 1:6-9). From the temporal perspective, there are laws which deal with different offences, and heresy was sometimes included amongst those offences. Such laws may vary from times to times and from places to places, whilst the doctrines of the Holy Church cannot change.
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Minnesnowta
I don't think so. Whomsoever brings innovations in matters of faith is immediately under anathema, because the doctrines of the Holy Church are protected from modifications by anathemas.
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Minnesnowta
Very clever semantics. So it doesn't matter how much people in the church change their opinions, beliefs, and dogma concerning the interpretation of doctrine right?
So for example the Pope saying that people from other faiths can gain salvation would not count to you as a change in doctrine?
And if the pope said such a thing, so what? I am not Catholic. But re: what the pope says, I can recommend you a very good book. It deserves a read:
[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Destruction-Christian-Tradition-Updated-Revised/dp/0941532984"]Amazon.com: The Destruction of the Christian Tradition, Updated and Revised (9780941532983): Rama P. Coomaraswamy: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51HajF60iEL.@@AMEPARAM@@51HajF60iEL[/ame]
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Minnesnowta
To an outsider it seems like an obvious change in doctrine. Going from only Christians gaining salvation to not only Christians gaining salvation.
Oh you're not Catholic? What's your tradition?
@Rasta:
I am Eastern Orthodox Christian, and my tradition is the Holy Apostolic tradition. If for whatever reasons you don't want to read the book, you can read at the link below the series of articles from which the book developed:
Biography of Rama Coomaraswamy on Studies in Comparative Religion
I am Eastern Orthodox Christian, and my tradition is the Holy Apostolic tradition. If for whatever reasons you don't want to read the book, you can read at the link below the series of articles from which the book developed:
Biography of Rama Coomaraswamy on Studies in Comparative Religion
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Minnesnowta
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