Viking Incursions into Ireland?

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Greeings all,
I am new here on Historum, and I just have a few questions I hope some of you obviously well read folks can help me with.

I was having a group discussion with a Professor, and a few of my friends today and the conversation somehow turned into a genetics and bloodlines debate.
Noticing my 6'2" height, blonde hair and blue eyes, my Professor assumed that I was either Scandinavian or Germanic by descent.
When I told him that I was more or less 100% Irish, he said that almost all blonde haired blue-eyed Irish are the result of medieval Viking incursions onto the island and the couplings and rapes that followed; thereby introducing these traits into the gene pool.
He claims that before the Vikings came around, the Irish were mostly dark haired and dark eyed and actually shorter...apparently the Scandinavians also introduced the gene for greater height...

Anyhow, I had never heard anything like this before and I was wondering how credible and how likely you think this is? Should I start celebrating my Viking heritage?
 
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Should I start celebrating my Viking heritage?
I had the same thing going with my Scottish heritage. Being a Stewart, I know that my 'bloodline' was not pure Scot, but after some DNA tests and geneaology reports.....I celebrate both Scot and Nordic. :)

fáilte
 

Inc

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Greeings all,
I am new here on Historum, and I just have a few questions I hope some of you obviously well read folks can help me with.

I was having a group discussion with a Professor, and a few of my friends today and the conversation somehow turned into a genetics and bloodlines debate.
Noticing my 6'2" height, blonde hair and blue eyes, my Professor assumed that I was either Scandinavian or Germanic by descent.
When I told him that I was more or less 100% Irish, he said that almost all blonde haired blue-eyed Irish are the result of medieval Viking incursions onto the island and the couplings and rapes that followed; thereby introducing these traits into the gene pool.
He claims that before the Vikings came around, the Irish were mostly dark haired and dark eyed and actually shorter...apparently the Scandinavians also introduced the gene for greater height...

Anyhow, I had never heard anything like this before and I was wondering how credible and how likely you think this is? Should I start celebrating my Viking heritage?

I watched a documentary which discredits this theory with genetic research, I'll try and track it down for you.
 

Inc

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Here ya go:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkqPEeHxA5I"]Blood Of The Vikings *Full Documentary* - YouTube[/ame]

(4 hours plus - should keep you busy for a while:))
 
Joined Jun 2009
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land of Califia
Here ya go:

Blood Of The Vikings *Full Documentary* - YouTube

(4 hours plus - should keep you busy for a while:))
Cheers. :)

***edit***
No dvd available at Amazon, but there is a tie in book as well.
[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Blood-Vikings-Julian-Richards/dp/0340733853/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1336623132&sr=8-1"]Amazon.com: Blood of the Vikings (9780340733851): Julian Richards: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41173XVCKZL.@@AMEPARAM@@41173XVCKZL[/ame]
 

Inc

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You're welcome guys.

he said that almost all blonde haired blue-eyed Irish are the result of medieval Viking incursions onto the island

If your professor subsituted 'Norman' for 'Viking' he might be nearer the mark.

(Typed by a blue-eyed Irishman of Norman descent:D)
 
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You're welcome guys.



If your professor subsituted 'Norman' for 'Viking' he might be nearer the mark.

(Typed by a blue-eyed Irishman of Norman descent:D)

Weren't the Normans themselves the descendants of Vikings? Scandinavians who had settled in Northern France or something along those lines?
 
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Yes, this is true.

Makes me wonder when Normans were first considered culturally distinct from Vikings?
Would the Vikings and their descendants who remained in Ireland have welcomed the Normans when they came invading? Or were the two cultures totally split by that time?

What about the Viking settlements or descendants in England? Would they have embraced their Norman cousins in 1066?
 
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Makes me wonder when Normans were first considered culturally distinct from Vikings?
Would the Vikings and their descendants who remained in Ireland have welcomed the Normans when they came invading? Or were the two cultures totally split by that time?

What about the Viking settlements or descendants in England? Would they have embraced their Norman cousins in 1066?

Vikings were given Normandy and became elite land owners. Most of the people of Normandy by 1066 or 1166 were not primarily of Viking descent. There were people with Viking ancestory and England and Ireland, but not many Vikings.

There was a Danish/Viking invasion of England in 1066 that was defeated by the English who then marched south the counter the Norman invasion. There was hostility to Norman rule and consequent repression in heavily Viking parts of nothern England.
 
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Just skimmed through your initial post on that thread, I will go back and read it in depth here in a second...but just to clarify, were there really Irish fighting on the side of the Danes?


The King of Leinster rebelled against the High King (over a perceived insult officially, but actually because High Kings always made obedience expensive for Leinster) and aided the Vikings. Not all of Leinster fought with him however. Some Leinstermen fought for Brian, as did the other provinces, and some Viking mercenaries also.
 
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The King of Leinster rebelled against the High King (over a perceived insult officially, but actually because High Kings always made obedience expensive for Leinster) and aided the Vikings. Not all of Leinster fought with him however. Some Leinstermen fought for Brian, as did the other provinces, and some Viking mercenaries also.

I guess war makes for strange bedfellows...

It's hard for me to imagine something like this happening in the modern age... Usually foreign invaders are the best way to unite a divided nation!

Though I imagine back then there was much less sense of loyalty to the country as a whole and more loyalty to the local lords or "low kings"?
 
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Well, having only one province acting up was pretty good going believe it or not. The High Kingship of Ireland developed organically as a figurehead acquired more and more power. Often they would levy taxes to test their strength, and end up at war with certain provinces. Leinster was always very heavily taxed. Loyalty was to local lords, you're quite right, and only the Kings and Nobles would have had any sense of Nationhood.
 

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