Was Viking king Halfdan the Black an African?

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It's obviously because of his black hair. Halfdan obviously is a Nordic giving name, when I hear names like that I think of Kings of Norway and Vikings. Many Vikings had Black hair as well, however none have been King. Usually the kings were Blond, Red haired. It is possible Halfdan might of been the first King with Black hair in Norway which is why they called him Halfdan The Black.

I honestly don't buy people saying he was black skinned. That makes no sense, if a person is going to be King of a country, they better be descendant from that country. (Except the USA). Halfdan was a Norwegian, so he would be a White man with Black hair. The thing people would notice immediately would be his Black hair, thus naming him Halfdan the Black (for his black hair). '

Just like Blackbeard, he didn't name himself Blackbeard. His crew mates called him Blackbeard, because of how thick and long his beard was, that is covered his face. Or the Irish, they called them Blacks because of their black hair even though they were White.

Use some common sense people, it's because he had Black hair. Even HIS SON was given the title "Fair head" who was probably a Blond. You tell me what the chances are of a Black man giving birth to a baby with Blond hair, very very slim. And judging that they all had Nordic Norse names they should all be white.

Just like Eric the Red, or Captain Redbeard - A Turkish pirate named Barbarossa in Spanish which means "red head" because of his red hair.
It is not at all obvious to scholars. Halfdan the black is variously called Halfdan the swarthy. Hair is almost never described as swarthy. In case you missed it, concerning the term "svartr", the article I posted says that "Often it is not entirely clear if the color adjective refers to hair color or complexion..." It's an interesting article.

The Color Blue in Old Norse-Icelandic Literature

And its clear being dark or swarthy did not preclude one from being either Norwegian or a ruler in Norway. Take, for example, Giermundr Heljarskin, one of the twins born to King Horr in the 9th century. The name heljar-skin referred to his skin and literally meant "black as hell".

"Settlers named in Landnamabok include many men of distinction: Geirmundr heljarskin, a warrior king (herkonungr) with a base in Rogaland (Sin, H86) ..." Old Icelandic Literature and Society, 2000, Edited by: Margaret Clunies Ross, University of Sydney, Cambridge University Press

You see here he was a "warrior king" with his own base in southern Norway? If anything it shows the ancients weren't so preoccupied with race as we are today. "There are many tribes and many tongues ... [t]here are giants and dwarfs; there are black men and many kinds of strange tribes." Snorri Sturlusson was in a position to describe the racial-scape of Scandinavia since he is believed to have written the story of the kings of Norway and lived in the 12th-13th centuries.

And Gwyn Jones was right to say: "The viking peoples who lived between the neck of Jutland and the Lofotens, Sogn, and Uppsala, were not all alike, and emphatically not of one 'pure' Nordic race." (A History Of The Vikings, pg. 67-68)

That much is attested in numerous family crests which clearly depict people of black ancestry. There was once a class of British and Scottish historians like Sir Godfrey Higgins, David MacRitchie, Albert Churchward etc., that were quite preoccupied with the subject and speculated quite broadly and, at times, erroneously, about the origins of pre-modern northerners, especially the Gypsies. Nevertheless, they did indeed uncover many interesting facts. On the cover of MacRitchie's Ancient and Modern Britons vol I he unveils a 16th century portrait of a Norman knight (and within the book numerous coats of arms to substantiate his hypothesis):

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In most instances dark-skinned peoples in the north descended from certain Celtic and Picti tribes who had long dwelt there and were almost invariably associated with seafaring. Tacitus, for example, remarked on the "dark complexion of the Silures or Black Celts and [their] unusually curly hair". Herodotus believed the Picts descended from Egyptians. This was before the Romans (and in any case the Romans never conquered Ireland), so it cannot be attributed to a small number of Africans among Latin elites. In other cases, they, like Giermundr Heljarskin's mother, came from present day Denmark.

The question of where these people really came from isn't easy to ascertain. My best guess, they were remnants of Neolithic foragers who spread through Tunisia and/or NE Africa roughly 10,000 yka.
 
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^Black faces on family crests denote property, as in slaves. A good example of this is the papal crest.
 
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^Black faces on family crests denote property, as in slaves. A good example of this is the papal crest.
No they don't. The Douglas family is perhaps the strongest example against that theory. Besides, often they wear crowns and other marks of nobility. It would be wrong to say this denotes "property" or slave ancestry.
 
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Vikings most likely had enslaved or purchased slaves that were arabic or maybe even african in heritage, but if one of them would've borne a child it wouldn't have made chief, not to mention king of the nation. I trust vikings in those days would've been openly racist and even xenophobic in some parts, except maybe the most wide-travelled traders.

Vikings did raid a city called Nekor or something around present-day Morocco, I recall reading about it as a kid.
 
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Vikings most likely had enslaved or purchased slaves that were arabic or maybe even african in heritage, but if one of them would've borne a child it wouldn't have made chief, not to mention king of the nation. I trust vikings in those days would've been openly racist and even xenophobic in some parts, except maybe the most wide-travelled traders.

Vikings did raid a city called Nekor or something around present-day Morocco, I recall reading about it as a kid.


Ummm, no?

The Vikings didn't own Arabs slaves... The Vikings BOUGHT slaves from the Arabs.

Also one great historian named Ahmad ibn Fadlān ibn al-Abbās ibn Rāšid ibn Hammād traveled with the Vikings to learn there culture, coming to a conclusion that they were sub-human and disgusting uncivilized people.


As for Halfdan, I know for a fact he was not black skinned. He had black hair, his son was called fairhead, obviously having light hair then his father.

I'm of Viking descent, and I have black hair. If I was to be king thousands of years ago and they nicknamed me the Black because of my black hair would you guys be arguing if I had black skin or black hair?
 
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I found some new information on Halfdan the Black...

Watch this while you read what i'm about to tell you, it makes things legendary... [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq-ZD6LcPww&feature=related]YouTube - Amon Amarth - Varyags Of Miklagaard+lyrics[/ame]

Now....

Halfdan the Blacks mother as some of you claim is Moorish. False!

His mothers name is Asa Haraldsdottir, she was a Norwegian Queen for the kingdom Agder. Her GRANDSON was Harald Fairhead, a Norwegian king described as having the palest blue eyes, and blond hair. Obviously Halfdan the Blacks son.

Asa's father was Harald Granraude, he was also king of Adger. Harald Granraude was married to Gunnhild Ragnvaldsdottier, the daughter of Ragnvald Sigurdsson.

Asa was purposed marriage by King Gudrod the Hunter. Asa's father refused the marriage, and Gudrod the Hunter ended up killing Asa's father, her brother, kidnapped her and married her. Asa took revenge a year later, and hired a servant to kill Gudrod the Hunter.... Asa took Halfdan with her to her kingdom of Adger, and ruled it for 20 years...

Asa then left the throne to her son, Halfdan. Halfdan also demanded half of his brothers kingdom. Halfdan was given the title because of his notorious black beard which struck fear to the citizens of his kingdom and neighboring kingdoms.



So....


Halfdan the Blacks father - Gudrod the Hunter, and mother Asa Haraldsdottier. Both white Norwegians who were rules as well as their ancestors.

Halfdan the Black gave the throne to his son, Harald Fairhead. His son then united Norway and was the first king of Norway. Declaring himself to be called, Harald I of Norway.



Case solved, now we all know Halfdan the Black was indeed a white Viking, with black hair. He did not have African blood or whatever.
 
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I found some new information on Halfdan the Black...

Watch this while you read what i'm about to tell you, it makes things legendary... YouTube - Amon Amarth - Varyags Of Miklagaard+lyrics

Now....

Halfdan the Blacks mother as some of you claim is Moorish. False!

His mothers name is Asa Haraldsdottir, she was a Norwegian Queen for the kingdom Agder. Her GRANDSON was Harald Fairhead, a Norwegian king described as having the palest blue eyes, and blond hair. Obviously Halfdan the Blacks son.

Asa's father was Harald Granraude, he was also king of Adger. Harald Granraude was married to Gunnhild Ragnvaldsdottier, the daughter of Ragnvald Sigurdsson.

Asa was purposed marriage by King Gudrod the Hunter. Asa's father refused the marriage, and Gudrod the Hunter ended up killing Asa's father, her brother, kidnapped her and married her. Asa took revenge a year later, and hired a servant to kill Gudrod the Hunter.... Asa took Halfdan with her to her kingdom of Adger, and ruled it for 20 years...

Asa then left the throne to her son, Halfdan. Halfdan also demanded half of his brothers kingdom. Halfdan was given the title because of his notorious black beard which struck fear to the citizens of his kingdom and neighboring kingdoms.



So....


Halfdan the Blacks father - Gudrod the Hunter, and mother Asa Haraldsdottier. Both white Norwegians who were rules as well as their ancestors.

Halfdan the Black gave the throne to his son, Harald Fairhead. His son then united Norway and was the first king of Norway. Declaring himself to be called, Harald I of Norway.



Case solved, now we all know Halfdan the Black was indeed a white Viking, with black hair. He did not have African blood or whatever.

I mentioned his ancestry back on Page 7. Nobody wanted to listen. But glad to see that someone else supports this. Good info Kamissick. :)
 
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Halfdan was given the title because of his notorious black beard which struck fear to the citizens of his kingdom and neighboring kingdoms.


Halfdan the Black gave the throne to his son, Harald Fairhead. His son then united Norway and was the first king of Norway. Declaring himself to be called, Harald I of Norway.



This is for the people who won't bother to read what I have said, or want a quick read. -- Btw, I mean to say Harald Fairhair not Harald fairhead.
 
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Also if I should add about Gudrod the Hunter....

He had a first wife who died of illness, they had one son named Olaf Gudrodsson (Halfdan's half brother).

Gudrod the Hunter was king of Vestfold and Romerike. He sent purposed marriage to Asa (Halfdans mother), but Asa father denied the marriage... Gudrod sent troops to Adger to kidnap Asa. Harald Grandraude (Asa mother) and Gyrd (Asa's brother) fought with the troops of Agder to defend from Gudrods invasion. They both died that day on battle along with their troops and were defeated. Gudrod kidnapped Asa and ..... her, and born was Halfdan Gudrodsson... The son of a bastard...

When Halfdan was only 1 years old, a feast was taken in the kingdom and his father was drunk and was leaving. The assassin stabbed Gudrod into his chest with a Spear, killing him. Gudrods soldiers quickly reacted to this and killed the assassin. Finding that it was Asa's pageboy. Asa then quickly left Vestfold and moved back to Agder with her son Halfdan. She ruled for 20 years passing down the throne to Halfdan Gudrodsson who was given the title the Black for his great black beard.

Halfdan and his brother Olaf divided their kingdom in half. Halfdan demanded half of Olaf's kingdom, and Olaf refused. Olaf then gave the throne to his son Gandalf Alfgeirsson who ruled Vestfold. Halfdan then invaded and took over Vestfold from Gandalf.




Halfdan the Black died in Randsfjord... He was returning from a feast and drowned after breaking through ice. He body was divided into four parts, in four districts, Ringerike, Romerike, Vestfold and Heithmork.

Halfdan also had many, he had three wifes. One of them giving birth to Harald Fairhair. Halfdan the Black gave throne to his son Harald fairhair who united Norway with the power his father left off from them and was called Harald I of Norway.

Harald Fairhair (Harald I of Norway) had numerous amount of children. Such as Halfdan Haraldsson the Black who was poisoned by his sister (who was also given the title for his black hair and descendents from Halfdan Gudrodsson a.k.a Halfdan the Black), or Eric Haraldsson who was supposed to be second king of Norway but was killed by one of Olaf's sons.



Halfdan the Blacks family tree....

Is on wikipedia [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halfdan_the_Black"]Halfdan the Black - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]


I find it very fascinating, i'm in love with their family heritage and stories.
 
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The Moors were Black...

No the moors where not black , they were north African and Arabs .Though they did have some black citizens among them (through slavery and integration most likely) , all Islamic civilizations at the time had a black minority among them, the key word here being MINORITY!!
 
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No the moors where not black , they were north African and Arabs .Though they did have some black citizens among them (through slavery and integration most likely) , all Islamic civilizations at the time had a black minority among them, the key word here being MINORITY!!

I don't think so, I think Moors were black and Arabs have some Moor DNA.

AlgerianMoors.jpg


Algerian Moors
 
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No the moors where not black , they were north African and Arabs .Though they did have some black citizens among them (through slavery and integration most likely) , all Islamic civilizations at the time had a black minority among them, the key word here being MINORITY!!

I don't think so, I think Moors were black and Arabs have some Moor DNA.

This picture are Algerian Moors
 

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I found some new information on Halfdan the Black...

Watch this while you read what i'm about to tell you, it makes things legendary... YouTube - Amon Amarth - Varyags Of Miklagaard+lyrics

Now....

Halfdan the Blacks mother as some of you claim is Moorish. False!

His mothers name is Asa Haraldsdottir, she was a Norwegian Queen for the kingdom Agder. Her GRANDSON was Harald Fairhead, a Norwegian king described as having the palest blue eyes, and blond hair. Obviously Halfdan the Blacks son.

Asa's father was Harald Granraude, he was also king of Adger. Harald Granraude was married to Gunnhild Ragnvaldsdottier, the daughter of Ragnvald Sigurdsson.

Asa was purposed marriage by King Gudrod the Hunter. Asa's father refused the marriage, and Gudrod the Hunter ended up killing Asa's father, her brother, kidnapped her and married her. Asa took revenge a year later, and hired a servant to kill Gudrod the Hunter.... Asa took Halfdan with her to her kingdom of Adger, and ruled it for 20 years...

Asa then left the throne to her son, Halfdan. Halfdan also demanded half of his brothers kingdom. Halfdan was given the title because of his notorious black beard which struck fear to the citizens of his kingdom and neighboring kingdoms.



So....


Halfdan the Blacks father - Gudrod the Hunter, and mother Asa Haraldsdottier. Both white Norwegians who were rules as well as their ancestors.

Halfdan the Black gave the throne to his son, Harald Fairhead. His son then united Norway and was the first king of Norway. Declaring himself to be called, Harald I of Norway.



Case solved, now we all know Halfdan the Black was indeed a white Viking, with black hair. He did not have African blood or whatever.



Somebody should lock this thread and sticky note it.
 
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Halfdan the Black

Haldan=Half-Danish

Black means he had black or dark brown hair

Just like Harald Fairhair means he had blonde or 'fair' hair.
 
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The moors were definitely Black and when a person was called "____The Black" it usually was a literal reference
 
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Re Halfdan being half black

Dear Forum,
I thought I would respond to thins because it involves my family genealogy. My surname of Holder is a derivation of the Old Danish word Haldar which means Half Dark. Haldar was a son of Haldan or Halfdan as you have her the Old Danish word for half is hal (pronounced hall)Halfdan means half dane or half danish and refers to his Norwegian-Danish ancestry previously noted in the forum.I also agree with other comments in the forum accept those who claim Halfdan or Haldan as it should be was "half dark" or black although he may have had dark hair some original Danes had dark hair ,ther was also blond and red hair. It was not Halfdan or Haldan who was half dark; but his son Haldar or as you might put it Halfdar who was half dark/black It appears the novel that started this uses a little dramatic license, for the most part true, but missing one important facet, which I will try to correct for you.
This which I am about to impart comes from our family genealogy "The Holders of Holderness" as recorded by a noted ancestor and biologist Christopher Fredrick Holder in the late 19th early 20th century from various historic documents (including one written shortly after the Danish Viking invasion of York in Great Britain called The Viking Chronicles)and family sagas. It has been verified in a recent 21 Century DNA test conducted with thousands of Holders around the world (including myself)over 85% of which can trace their origins to Haldan through Haldar who is one of his sons.
Haldan or Halfdan (as you've been calling him)at one time got into a bit of trouble killing another Dane in a fit of anger. He was expelled and exiled from Denmark and travelled much of eastern Europe arriving finally in what is now Turkey and working as a bodyguard for a homosexual Turkish prince.
The Turks at the time were Christian and had to do 7 days of penance for killing someone; but since as a Viking Halfdan had no such aversion he took the position of the Turkish prince's bodyguard. As a Turkish prince the prince was often gifted wives; but since the price was homosexual the prince had no use for them. Halfdan of course being a Viking had no aversion to wives either so he developed a relationship with one such royal gift a Nubian princess from a kingdom in Africa( if memory serves she was from Ethiopia.
They fell in love and soon the princess was pregnant and since Haldan was clearly not Turkish it would be hard to explain why the child was paler then a Turkish-Ethiopian hybrid and since the dalliance was clearly a perceived insult to the Turkish prince (homosexual or not). Haldan was forced to kill the Turkish prince, a number of the princes other bodyguards in the process, defending the Ethiopian Princess and his child. Halfdan and the princess stole away taking the princes horses and princesses jewels with them and made haste back to Denmark to take his chances with his fellow Danes.
Along the way Halfdan's son was born and named Haldar(half dark). Halfdan with his bride, the Ethiopian princess returned to Denmark to raise their son Haldar as a Viking. The other Danes did view Haldan's wife and son a little differently because they were an oddity to Danes who had rarely if ever saw a black and mulatto before; since Haldan's journey was the first ever taken by a Dane who returned home. Maybe they were afraid of them;However it's doubtful since Danish Viking mothers were just as fearsome as their husbands if their families were threatened.
Haldar would later join his father on various expeditions and I'm sure if his wife was threatened by her Danish neighbors she probably followed and colonized as they went along colonizing The British Isles, Ireland, France (where they instituted the practice of Dan-gild(or Dane gold meaning extortion), Germany and as far as Moravia.
Therefore to summarize and bring to the current day: Halfdan was half Norwegian-half Dane and it was his son Haldar or I suppose to other writers in this forum "Halfdar" who was half dark, that half being Ethiopian. Within another 600-800 years this would be repeated as another ancestor would travel to The New World settling in the Caribbean and starting a Sugar Plantation and Boat building business and sire a whole new line of Haldars(or Holders as it became anglicized)of which US Attorney General Eric Holder is a descendent and probably a pretty good representation of what Haldar looked like (if you can envision him with longer hair).
I hope this has been helpful to you it's in the wee hours of the morning here and it's been a long day. I hope this puts the issue to rest. Thank you!
 
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Germanic tribes migrated to North Africa in 429.

"Procopius' assertion that the Vandals and Alans numbered 80,000 when they moved to North Africa"

Viking trading contact with the Moors would have probably been in Spain, Hasting/Haesten's raid into the Med is the first recorded clash, circa 860. He appears to have been based in the Loire / Bay of Biscay and allied with the Bretons.
 

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