What is the goal of Culture?

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If we look at culture as a single organism, as a single entity, what would be it's main goal? What is culture trying to achieve, or where is it trying to go? What sustains it? What "feeds" it and keeps it alive?

Perhaps the role of culture in our species is simply to satisfy the wants or needs of the majority of the population, or perhaps to satisfy the wants or needs of the elite or the cultural institutions/authorities.

What do you think?
 
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If we look at culture as a single organism, as a single entity, what would be it's main goal? What is culture trying to achieve, or where is it trying to go? What sustains it? What "feeds" it and keeps it alive?

Perhaps the role of culture in our species is simply to satisfy the wants or needs of the majority of the population, or perhaps to satisfy the wants or needs of the elite or the cultural institutions/authorities.

What do you think?
Perhaps the role of culture in our species is simply to satisfy the wants or needs of the majority of the population, or perhaps to satisfy the wants or needs of the elite or the cultural institutions/authorities.
I do not see culture doing any of this. For myself Culture is a means to continue the lineage of society. Challenge is that today culture changes every few years as the values of society change. That may be what one sees when thinking about the elite. Our celebrity oriented culture celebrities are not necessarily the elite they just have lots of money and make a lot of photos.
 
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Culture as a whole doesn't have a particular goal. Individual contributions which form the wider part of culture do, but culture as a whole doesn't.
 
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Culture has no goal without a religious basis. This is why atheistic Europe is now in the gutter culturally.
 
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Culture is not an organism. Maybe if the question was rephrased?
 
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What in gods name does this have to do with a persons religious beliefs?

Absolutely everything. Religion is the basis of culture. Not social interactions, not environment. Those things are secondary. Religion is prime.

That's enough. Leave your proselytizing, as well as your ad hom remarks, at the door.

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I'm not proselytizing. I'm sorry if you perceive things that way, but that's your problem. As religion is the basis of culture, it is impossible to discuss culture without bringing religion into the equation. It may be hard for you to accept and it may upset you, but it's reality
 
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This is how it starts.



Absolutely everything. Religion is the basis of culture. Not social interactions, not environment. Those things are secondary. Religion is prime.



I'm not proselytizing. I'm sorry if you perceive things that way, but that's your problem. As religion is the basis of culture, it is impossible to discuss culture without bringing religion into the equation. It may be hard for you to accept and it may upset you, but it's reality
You misunderstand me, this is not a debate. You have a very clear agenda and it will not be tolerated. If you wish to discuss religion, you will confine it to the Religion subforum. Further infraction of the rules that you clearly did not read, will result in immediate termination of you posting privileges.

That is all.
 
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Culture IS. It emerges. Its not something that can be manufactured to a design. It encompasses everything that the group experiences, thinks and feels.

The only singular phrase that could possibly define culture is "a web of meaning".

The inputs of culture are pretty much the same around the world, and what people do, think and feel are pretty similar, but what distinguishes them is how they are brought together and the meaning people attribute to them.
 
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Culture is a result, may be a civilization can have the goal to develop this or that culture, but a culture hasn't got a goal.

Now, in semiotics a culture is the coded language of a social community, nothing else. Its nature is to make a social group recognizable, to generate "social membership". Let's not avoid to note that a society can be multicultural, this is important.
 
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Leisure is the basis of culture. That is the title of a book written by Joseph Pieper, who has outstanding academic credentials and has published widely on the philosophical questions of religion. It is also relevant to this discussion to note that he is an orthodox Christian believer. There is neither time nor space to give a thorough exposition of his thoughts on the basis of culture. It is enough to know that he argues that religion is a part of culture. Not the whole of it and certainly not its foundation.

Since this is a history forum (as distinguished from a religious forum) let us review the history of the word and see from whence it came and how it has been bandied about.

The word culture comes from the Latin colere which has the meaning “to till or cultivate.” You have a culture when you grow a mold in a petri dish in the lab. (Or on that uneaten half sandwich you have in the fridge.) But the more general use of the word includes all of the creative expressions of man in all fields of human endeavor. On other occasions it is confined to creative expressions in the areas of liberal arts. This second sense is also extended to mean personal cultivation. As in the expression, “Pedro reads all the best books, he is a cultured man.”

It may surprise you to know that this term came into use only in the 18th century. But, being the thorough historians that we are, we can find plenty of antecedents in the writings of the Greeks.

The second sense I mentioned can be found in the works of Plato and Aristotle in the Academy and Lyceum which were centers for the production and transmission of forms of culture.

The School of Cynicism in turning from human society to nature, regarded human culture in both of the above senses as degenerate and corrupting. But what did you expect? They were cynics. Lol.

Their more laid back
colleagues, the Stoics, took a larger view in which a world culture emerged. One was a citizen of the universe, and not merely of his city-state.

These ideals of Greek culture were perpetuated thru generations from the days of Alcuin thru Boethius and others who used the terminology in the establishment of the seven Liberal Arts, which were made up of two parts, the Trivium [which consisted of grammar, dialectic, and rhetoric.] and the Quadrivium [which included arithmetic, geometry, astronomy, and music.]

The next stage in our definition is the Romantic era, when the notion of culture was in terms of genius, and the refinement of aesthetic sensibilities. Some say it is said to have been set by Immanuel Kant in his Critique of judgment. [I must admit I’ve never been able to read the whole of it. My German isn’t good enough.]

Some lesser known philosophers developed the concept further, such as Herder (a German thinker) who viewed speech as central to the development of culture. Another, Fichte, wrote that man’s goal was to develop an ethical world culture.

And yet again, another German thinker, Schlegel wrote about the vitality of culture and how it was dependent on the fusion of science and life.

Matthew Arnold, a 19th century apostle of culture, identified culture with the goal of “total perfection” and gave it a role in overcoming the barbarism and philistinism of society. [Boy could the internet use him now.]

Another Victorian, Spengler, distinguished “culture” from “civilization,” regarding the former as the vital possibilities of a society, and latter as the mere external form of their achievement.
In more recent times Sociologist differ concerning whether of not “culture” or “civilization” can be understood as identical.

In the late 19th century E.B. Taylor in his Primitive Culture held that the two concepts were identical, and included knowledge, belief, art, morals, laws, and customs.

A colleague of his Alfred Weber, distinguished the terms, relating the former to philosophy, religion and art; and the latter to science and technology.

For a modern materialist view we have Plekhanov who comes closer that any other dialectical materialist to holding that the cultural product of a nation is dependent upon its economic substructure.

As for me I prefer and enjoy Huizinga who emphasized the “play” element in culture.

This outline is far to brief but will, I hope, serve the purpose of showing the foundation of the word “culture” and its many facets.

The final word belongs to
Alpine Luke:
"Culture is a result, may be a civilization can have the goal to develop this or that culture, but a culture hasn't got a goal.

Now, in semiotics a culture is the coded language of a social community, nothing else. Its nature is to make a social group recognizable, to generate "social membership". Let's not avoid to note that a society can be multicultural, this is important. "
 
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Leisure is the basis of culture. That is the title of a book written by Joseph Pieper, who has outstanding academic credentials and has published widely on the philosophical questions of religion. It is also relevant to this discussion to note that he is an orthodox Christian believer. There is neither time nor space to give a thorough exposition of his thoughts on the basis of culture. It is enough to know that he argues that religion is a part of culture. Not the whole of it and certainly not its foundation.

Since this is a history forum (as distinguished from a religious forum) let us review the history of the word and see from whence it came and how it has been bandied about.

The word culture comes from the Latin colere which has the meaning “to till or cultivate.” You have a culture you grow a mold in a petri dish in the lab. (Or on that uneaten half sandwich you have in the fridge.) But the more general use of the word includes all of the creative expressions of man in all fields of human endeavor. On other occasions it is confined to creative expressions in the areas of liberal arts. This second sense is also extended to mean personal cultivation. As in the expression, “Pedro reads all the best books, he is a cultured man.”

It may surprise you to know that this term came into use only in the 18th century. But, being the thorough historians that we are, we can find plenty of antecedents in the writings of the Greeks.

The second sense I mentioned can be found in the works of Plato and Aristotle in the Academy and Lyceum which were centers for the production and transmission of forms of culture.

The School of Cynicism in turning from human society to nature, regarded human culture in both of the above senses as degenerate and corrupting. But what did you expect? They were cynics. Lol.

Their more laid back collogues, the Stoics, took a larger view in which a world culture emerged. One was a citizen of the universe, and not merely of his city-state.

These ideals of Greek culture were perpetuated thru generations from the days of Alcuin thru Boethius and others who used the terminology in the establishment of the seven Liberal Arts, which were made up of two parts, the Trivium [which consisted of grammar, dialectic, and rhetoric.] and the Quadrivium [which included arithmetic, geometry, astronomy, and music.]

The next stage in our definition is the Romantic era, when the notion of culture was in terms of genius, and the refinement of aesthetic sensibilities. Some say is said to have been set by Immanuel Kant in his Critique of judgment. [I must admit I’ve never been able to read the whole of it. My German isn’t good enough.]

Some lesser known philosophers developed the concept further, such as Herder (a German thinker) who viewed speech as central to the development of culture. Another, Fichte, wrote that man’s goal was to develop a an ethical world culture.

And yet again, another German thinker, Schlegel wrote about the vitality of culture and how it was dependent on the fusion of science and life.

Matthew Arnold, a 19th century apostle of culture, identified culture with the goal of “total perfection” and gave it a role in overcoming the barbarism and philistinism of society. [Boy could the internet use him now.]

Another Victorian, Spengler, distinguished “culture” from “civilization,” regarding the former as the vital possibilities of a society, and latter as the mere external form of their achievement.
In more recent times Sociologist differ concerning whether of not “culture” or “civilization” can be understood as identical.

In the late 19th century E.B. Taylor in his Primitive Culture held that the two concepts were identical, and included knowledge, belief, art, morals, laws, and customs.

A colleague of his Alfred Weber, distinguished the terms, relating the former to philosophy, religion and art; and the latter to science and technology.

For a modern materialist view we have Plekhanov who comes closer that any other dialectical materialist to holding that the cultural product of a nation is dependent upon its economic substructure.

As for me I prefer and enjoy Huizinga who emphasized the “play” element in culture.

This outline is far to brief but will, I hope, serve the purpose of showing the foundation of the word “culture” and its many facets.

The final word belongs to
Alpine Luke:

Thanks for that rewarding basic outline on the history of culture Pedro. I just wonder where Mars Bar wrappers and Cambell's soup fit into the idea of culture? :D
 
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I disagree. Culture is an organism. (meme). The trick is to not be subsumed into the collective.
 

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