Why did Hitler hate the Jews?

That's very kind However, I see you more as a Snowball type, at the very least That's intended as a compliment

Mandate of Heaven said:

Right or wrong, I think to Hitler and many Germans at the time, the Jews were the equivalent of the greedy, ruthless 1%.

Stereotyping almost always contains some element of truth in it. Chinese were not anti-semites, but the word 猶太 or Jew, was used to describe anyone who was greedy, cunning, and extremely stingy in the old Shanghai.

Now, I want to emphasize what Nazis did was horrendous and inexcusable, but I think the perception of Jews may have some (real or not) perceived basis.

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Yes, the aim of social science is finding cause and effect out of the data without judging it. Members of the Judaic-believing tribe practice a race-exclusive ideology. They are "the Chosen People." In the US, most of them are more liberal and hence can easiliear integrate into our society. They tend to avoid agiculture and concentrate in the political, TV and movie businesses. This is in marked contrast to the extreme "chinchyness" of a group of Judaic refugees who had lived for generations in pre-Mao China and who I had experiences with on their voyage to the US.

But the fact is that religions are not race and just because some Semitic people believer their tribe is a special, god-favoring race does not mean it is. Like all old religions, the Judaic faith has serious flaws. Hitler also had his own racist religion so he also failed to understand that we are all equal members of the human race and all that divides us is faulty and failing old religions and ill-conceived upstart ideologies.

Black Dog said:

That's very kind However, I see you more as a Snowball type, at the very least That's intended as a compliment

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And taken as such.

Black Dog said:

It was also "perceived" that Jews used the blood of Christian babies for their rituals, that they poisoned wells (which, presumably, they needed themselves) and that they were somehow, simultaneously, capitalists and communists.

Scotsmen and Yorkshiremen also "known" for being mean. Yet that claim is, from my personal experience, a complete fallacy. And this is coming from a Lancastrian!

The notion that Germany's 1 % of Jewish citizens were all cigar smoking financial bigshots is a nonsense, especially since a fair sized proportion of those people were Polish immigrants who worked primarily in the Artisan class.

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The notion that overcast always results in rains is also non-sense, but people always remember to bring an umbrella when they see a cloudy day.

The idiocy of the human race is no excuse, especially when the evidence of their every day lives should tell them that Jews are the same as everybody else: good, bad, indifferent.

Believing that they're any better or worse is akin to carrying an umbrella in the Sahara, expecting rain.

Black Dog said:

The idiocy of the human race is no excuse, especially when the evidence of their every day lives should tell them that Jews are the same as everybody else: good, bad, indifferent.

Believing that they're any better or worse is akin to carrying an umbrella in the Sahara, expecting rain.

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Can you provide evidence that Jews were the same as everybody else in pre-WWII Europe? Or did you just made this up because you think this should be the case?

Can you provide evidence that Jews weren't the same as everyone else?

All my life I've heard idiots stating that people X are like this and people Y are like that.
I judge people by their own attitudes, not their race or religion. And by doing so, I can tell you that for every tiny difference you find, I'll find more similarities.

Most of us have too much on our hands just trying to survive: pay the bills, look after the kids etc. Not planning world domination, least of all when it's highly unlikely that we'd be the main beneficiaries of it. It is those at the top of society- the ones with time on their hands- who plot things like that.

They come in all shapes, sizes, religions, races and colours.

Why don't you try researching the Holocaust, about its victims: see how many of them are Rothschilds etc? Most were just ordinary people.

I have talked to Jewish people in England: not one of them called me names, or implied or stated that us pig eaters are going to hell and the "Chosen people" will send me there. Which is more than can be said for the local Conservative Club.

I will argue with anyone: I am an equal opportunities misanthropist.

Maybe this sort of drivel will make you happy?

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Black Dog said:

I have talked to Jewish people in England: not one of them called me names, or implied or stated that us pig eaters are going to hell and the "Chosen people" will send me there. Which is more than can be said for the local Conservative Club.

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There are many fools in the world who like to pretend otherwise; this forum has attracted more than a few of them.

Nice, suddenly I am saying Nazis were right to some very intelligent people. Just because I am stating why Jews were targeted, this does not mean I am saying the reasons for doing so were either right or wrong. If someone gives reasons for why Americans had Prohibition in the 20's, does this mean he's for banning alcohol? If someone gives reasons for why the Great Depression happened, does that mean he is for economic collapse? Can anyone study anything negative in history anymore with academic Nazis around like this?

There is nothing like knee-jerk PC intellectual giants.

Black Dog said:

Can you provide evidence that Jews weren't the same as everyone else?

All my life I've heard idiots stating that people X are like this and people Y are like that.
I judge people by their own attitudes, not their race or religion. And by doing so, I can tell you that for every tiny difference you find, I'll find more similarities.

Most of us have too much on our hands just trying to survive: pay the bills, look after the kids etc. Not planning world domination, least of all when it's highly unlikely that we'd be the main beneficiaries of it. It is those at the top of society- the ones with time on their hands- who plot things like that.

They come in all shapes, sizes, religions, races and colours.

Why don't you try researching the Holocaust, about its victims: see how many of them are Rothschilds etc? Most were just ordinary people.

I have talked to Jewish people in England: not one of them called me names, or implied or stated that us pig eaters are going to hell and the "Chosen people" will send me there. Which is more than can be said for the local Conservative Club.

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Of course Jews were different from everyone else. They had their own religion, language, unique culture and practices. But some idiots obviously are unaware of that.

I will argue with anyone: I am an equal opportunities misanthropist/

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Nice cliche. I am sure no one has ever heard that one before. Unfortunately, I only argue with intelligent, interesting people. So, see you on my ignore list. But do feel free to respond anyway, I know how your type can't afford to lose even an Internet argument.

You have failed miserably to tell us WHY Jews are so different that it is understandable that they should be targeted.

I have already told you that the myth that Jews were all big businessmen was false. Most Jews in Germany- (a mere 1% of the German population when the Nazis came to power, and lot less shortly afterwards, because non-German Jews were expelled, mostly to Poland)- were in the artisan class. This means skilled makers of things: jewellers, tailors, leather makers etc. The rest were hardly hangers-on: they were doctors, scientists (remember one A. Einstein, amongst others?), notable artists and musicians as well as lawyers and similar professions.

The German ruling classes were intact: they had not been replaced by Jews nor were they under threat from Jews. I don't know why I'm wasting my time here, but I'll try:
The German ruling class, pre-Nazi era, had a vested interest in anti-Semitism: scapegoatism. The German ruling class feared Communism and Socialism: they also heartily disliked democracy and Liberal politics in general. Jews were often advocates of both democracy and Liberalism and obviously felt a strong tie with Liberalism because that is how they achieved emancipation. So, the ruling class made scapegoats of the Jews in order to protect their own position: the same as Muslims are blamed for so much in modern Britain. Whilst we have it in for the Muslims, the real problem- the British ruling class- are getting away with it.

Hitler himself held that the "masses" are stupid, easily swayed, and need a hate figure. He stated in Mein Kampf that the Jews would make a good "Lightning rod, a channel for odium of the masses". In short, even Hitler, who nevertheless believed his racial theories, was still cynical about the influence and ability 1% of the population could exert over the rest.

Let us examine Nazi, and, indeed, pre-Nazi anti-Semitism. Christian anti-Semitism:
This is pretty obvious and certainly not restricted to Germany. Martin Luther was a violent anti-Semite in his latter days, whilst the Catholic Church was outstandingly silent on the persecution of Jews, despite causing an outcry about the T4 (euthanasia) programme.

Then we have Volkist anti-Semitism, which was mystical claptrap mixed with 19th century racial theories, thoroughly hijacked by both the right and centre in Germany. The same old dualistic, simple minded belief that where there is an "Aryan Superman" there must be a "subhuman" who is at odds with him. Same childish ideas: God and devil, black and white, cowboy and indian........

Such rationale is always wrong: Stalin starved to death millions of peasants, because, using his logic, land owning peasants are not the Proletariat and therefore MUST be the enemy.

So, to unwrap this:

1. The Aryan is the superman, the fount of human achievement and pinnacle of creation.

2. The Jew is subhuman: inferior in every way. He lacks creative ability and is scared of hard physical work.

3. A mere 1% of these "subhumans", despite being patently inferior, constitute a dire threat to the 90% or so Aryan supermen.

4. The Jew cannot outfight, outnumber, out think, out-invent, outwork, or outbreed the Aryan.

5. Despite these "obvious" faults, the Jew is "cunning" (despite not being "as bright" as the Aryan) and has many weapons in his armoury (despite being few in number and being the "natural" enemy of the Aryan).

If you can't see a few contradictions here..........

Of course Jews were different from everyone else. They had their own religion, language, unique culture and practices. But some idiots obviously are unaware of that.

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Wrong again. Only relatively few of German Jews were of the Orthodox varieties: many were naturalised, German speaking and considered themselves as German as anyone else. Many had fought for Germany in WW1. President Hindenberg extracted a promise from Hitler that Jewish WW1 veterans would not be persecuted: a promise Hitler kept, until Hindenberg's death.

In case you don't know, 1% of the German population was around 522,000 people. Around 1/2 of those had left Germany by the outbreak of WW2. Many were forcibly expelled, whilst the wealthier and wiser left of their own accord. Many were deemed foreign nationals.

By the time of outbreak of WW2, only 16% of the remaining Jews had regular employment.

So, let us sum up: an "inferior" people, by now impoverished in the main, stripped of ALL citizenship and its according rights, denied basic employment unless by other Jews, by now numbering around 250,000 people, with little or no protection under the law. Whilst not excusing it, you somehow think it was understandable that what followed was done to them? You really think those people were a threat?

And this culture and practices you find so objectionable: tell us how they made it understandable that Jews should be singled out and treated that way?

What does Jewish dietary rules do to ordinary Christians? Or circumcision? Or Bar Mitvah or other Jewish rituals? Please note the absence of nonsense about well poisoning and baby's blood here.

I'd be fascinated to see how you come to the conclusion that the persecution of Jews was "understandable" even if not "right".

I'm not particularly fond of cultures that eat dogs: but no way on earth could I advocate stripping them of the means to live, their citizenship rights, much less their lives.

Unfortunately, I only argue with intelligent, interesting people. So, see you on my ignore list. But do feel free to respond anyway, I know how your type can't afford to lose even an Internet argument.

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Loser. You wrote that AFTER I wrote the post above the above. So, totally lacking any sensible, coherent argument against that post, the man of straw adds to his post above mine.

Your definition of intelligent must mean something different to other people's. You're an empty vessel: either answer my points or accept defeat.

For my part, please accept my apologies. It just gets my goat when people keep repeating things and never even trying to show evidence of their truth. I'll behave

I know you couldn't care less Black Dog but great series of posts, best I've seen in a while.

Gile na Gile said:

I know you couldn't care less Black Dog but great series of posts, best I've seen in a while.

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Agreed, well handled Black Dog.

Thanks, Gile and Salah I DO care less, when good people like yourselves appreciate it It means a lot- thanks.

I'm just sorry I have such a hot temper which occasionally escapes my control.

My two cents, for what it's worth.
I also appreciate Black Dog beating the dead horse.
As I also get a tad annoyed, I try to refrain from dialog with those who refuse to offer any coherent or cogent arguments for whatever silly point they believe they are trying to make.
I appreciate Black Dog's lack of such restraint.

Black Dog said:

I'm just sorry I have such a hot temper which occasionally escapes my control.

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Physiology and memory, it's a strange thing at times but it's impossible not to get wound up when you have a strong hold of it - a question of displacement.... do what I do and give the cat a boot.

I know you care.