Why is Everyone against a Federal Europe?
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Central Macedonia
Finally we are reaching some common understanding kimiPerhaps case of EU is not as much lost one as I thought. I will postpone foundation of Anti-EU party for a moment
There is already an Anti-EU party! Nigel Farage for President of Europe
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Slovakia
Do not worry, they will find common language as soon as they start partitioning Poland again
...sorry, just joking, could not resist
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Moscow oblast
So, may be, we (Germans, Russians etc.) have the poor governmental system, the system, that cannot (don't want to) protect the interests of the most people? And we have to go away from this market economy instead of glorifing of it?
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Slovakia
That is my backup if Volkswagen starts to assemble main battle tanksThere is already an Anti-EU party! Nigel Farage for President of Europe
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Central Macedonia
That is my backup if Volkswagen starts to assemble main battle tanks
VW builds tanks actually. They are called Touareg!
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Slovakia
In that case: Nigel for president!!!VW builds tanks actually. They are called Touareg!
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Slovakia
Btw. kimi, what does have German Marshal Fund have to do with Germany itself? It is one of the sponsors of various NGOs in Slovakia and probably in other post-socialistic countries as well.
I know in reality it may have nothing to do with Germany. These funds often have misleading names. I am just curious. Perhaps you know.
I know in reality it may have nothing to do with Germany. These funds often have misleading names. I am just curious. Perhaps you know.
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Ukraine
As far from metropolia so as more decoy for development we can find in any case of modern state.
So russian plant will be make only fullydesigned in only Germany while Skoda produce newdesined by itself cars based on the old VW(german) platform.
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Thrace/Türkiye
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Ukraine
show me the frame at touareg`s base and then i would agree with you.VW builds tanks actually. They are called Touareg!
But untill that its only armoured vehicle ))))
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i`m be crisscrossed....
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Central Macedonia
I think it is a tank since it can pull airplanes!
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhk3VRtU5Dk]YouTube - Fifth Gear - VW Touareg towing 747 Jumbo Jet[/ame]
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Munich, Capital of the Kingdom of Bavaria
Rheinmetal made a massive profit of ~230m € with their defence sector (mainly tanks) but only 81m with cars...That is my backup if Volkswagen starts to assemble main battle tanks
You mean the german marshal funds of the united states, most likely...
About GMF - The German Marshall Fund of the United States
Twenty-five years later, German Chancellor Willy Brandt went to Harvard to announce (full speech) plans to create a permanent memorial to Marshall Plan assistance, through a gift of DM 150 million on behalf of the German people. “The memory of the past has become the mission of the future,” he said.
The German Marshall Fund of the United States is the result of Germany’s generous gift. Consistent with Brandt’s vision, GMF is dedicated to the promotion of greater understanding and common action between Europe and the United States. The German government renewed its commitment to GMF with subsequent rounds of funding in 1986 and 2001 that resulted in a substantial endowment, ensuring GMF’s work would continue well into the future.
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Slovakia
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Munich, Capital of the Kingdom of Bavaria
German companies, as any other companies, act as badly in a country as they are allowed to. The Mitbestimmung is only here because our government mandates it to be here, not because of the loving care the german companies have for german workers.
So, yes to better government, no to going away from social market economy. Planed economy sucks too.
Basically all companies will tell you lies about how you have to give them 0% taxes and no wage increase for 2 decades and also loans for 0% interest or they will go to other countries. They lie. Even adam smith writes in his wealth of nations that buisnessmen whine always and lie about how they have it so hard.
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Romania
ok, you have your peculiar way to see reality, I've got it!He is right both theoretically and practically. If you would want real democracy you would need revolution. But I doubt we should want democracy, it did not approve itself very well last time somebody actually tried it. Which was some 2.5 thousand years ago
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Ukraine
well, its an armoured tractor
I saw what attempt to pull out big truck with corncargo slipped in mud made from unframed Pajero Wag !!
Revolutions makes & drives by the initiative & money from the other countries using the inner situation formed in state.
As it was in 1917, in 2004 in Ukraine, in 2011 in Egypt.
Don`t have illusions.
so any revolution truelly has no aim to help people in this state, much more otherwise they support interests of other states/financial groups
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Loch na Seilg, Alba
That has no basis in cultural or social reality.
If we'd joined the euro we'd be in the same position as Ireland and Greece are now. You may want to see tens of millions of people unemployed or impoverished to make you feel 'European,' but I do not. It's selfish authoritarianism of the highest order, and the folly is compounded by the fact that it is thoroughly unnecessary.
And why would a single European country be democratic? There are three components of any government: the executive, the legislature, and the judiciary. And, in the EU, you do not vote for any of them.
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Moscow oblast
So, the rather powerful German government has some problems with the corporations. And they (the corporations) can be just dangerous for weak countries / governments. At the same time the exceeding* unification of European creates all opportunities for the activity of corporations.
(*I don't think that any international cooperation is harmful, quite the contrary in many cases it can very useful)
In case of the proposed European Federations the corporations just will not have any limiters: "the Federal Government of Europe" definitely will be much weaker and more liable to influence than, for example, today's German government.
I think, today's EU-economy has the many features of the planned economy. For example, if the economy of EU was a real market economy, the farmers of Baltic States and Poland would ruin the ineffective (from point of view of process cost) farmers of "Old Europe" in 1-2 years.More History Discussions
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