Would Abraham Lincoln get elected today?

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I'm not sure what you mean here. Lincoln lost the 1858 senatorial contest, after a series of debates with Stephen Douglas over the issue of slavery. He also lost the 1854 senatorial contest. If you mean the 1860 Presidential election, Lincoln did carry Illinois then, with 50.7% of the popular vote versus Douglas' 47.2%

Source: 1860 Presidential General Election Results - Illinois

Of course I meant the presidential one, what else?
Someone has their numbers screwed up then.
Look at this page and compare with your link.
Unless I'm reading it totally wrong, the Ill. popular vote
numbers are off.
United States presidential election, 1860 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Of course I meant the presidential one, what else?
Someone has their numbers screwed up then.
Look at this page and compare with your link.
Unless I'm reading it totally wrong, the Ill. popular vote
numbers are off.
United States presidential election, 1860 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think Wikipedia got it wrong this time. Here's another source that agrees with the 50.7 - 47.2% numbers:

Election Results of Idaho

(P.S. I have no idea why the title is "Election Results of Idaho", the web page is really election results of Illinois :zany:)

Oops, wait a minute, the Wikipedia link you provided says the same thing for Illinois: Lincoln 50.7%, Douglas 47.2%. They all agree. See the "Results by state" section:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1860#Results_by_state
 
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I've heard this question asked before, I have heard a response in the form of a condemnation of contemporary American politics to the effect that since we live in the era of the television and political figures are thus more exposed than ever, they need to look nice, and since Lincoln's face was pockmarked and (though i disagree) he was simply not attractive enough for us to elect him today.
 
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i imagine lincoln would not conform to the "PC" craze so he'd never even get the nomination..
 
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Abe Lincoln, being a man of integrity would not appeal to todays voters, remember that back in 1860 women could not vote, so his looks would definitely destroy his chances.

The story goes that while out riding Lincoln happened to be riding in a lane where there was very little room for travelers to pass each other, a .... coming from the opposite direction saw him and exclaimed, "you are the ugliest man I ever saw"

Lincoln replied that he could not help it, she retorted, "well at least you could not go out in public".

The story of Lincolns honesty in walking miles to return a few cents owing to a customer would not resonate with todays voters who are steeped in the ethics of buyer beware and many would look at such honesty as being pathological.

Todays campaigns see the narcissistic contenders all outdoing one another in blowing their own horns, Lincoln in a campaign note once told the voters, that being used to disappointment he would understand their not electing him.

Even some of the phrases from his speeches would not resonate with voters who respond to phrases like "read my lips," or "hope and change", with malice towards none and with charity towards all would be rejected by the right as endorsing welfare and would be rejected by the left as being too wishy washy.

Lincoln supported a protective tariff, that would eliminate millions of dollars of funding by multinationals.

Lincoln today could not be elected to a minor seat on any gummint body, much less a national office.

But a John Wilkes Booth, an actor who could deliver lines, one who could be the darling hearthrob of the majority who vote, he would have a pretty good chance today.
 
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i don't think lincoln was particularly hideous. but, yea, you gotta be a really good liar to win any election today...
 
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i don't think lincoln was particularly hideous. but, yea, you gotta be a really good liar to win any election today...

Lincoln was once accused of being "two-faced", to which he replied "If I was two-faced, would I be wearing this one?" :lol:
 
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Todays campaigns see the narcissistic contenders all outdoing one another in blowing their own horns, Lincoln in a campaign note once told the voters, that being used to disappointment he would understand their not electing him.

"on one feature of Lincoln's thought all were agreed. Lincoln described himself as a lifelong fatalist, and none demurred. "What is to be will be, he told Congressman Isaac Arnold, in words he often repeated to Mary Lincoln; "I have found all my life as Hamlet says: There's a divinity that shapes our ends, Rough-hew them how we will." Herndon recalled many conversations in which Lincoln had asserted that "all things were fixed, doomed in one way or the other, which there was no appeal, no efforts or prayers of hours can change, alter, modify, or reverse the decree."

Our Lincoln; New Perspectives on Lincoln and His World
by Eric Foner, ed., ( New York: W.W.Norton & Company, 2008), 229.
 
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i don't think lincoln was particularly hideous. but, yea, you gotta be a really good liar to win any election today...

Have you ever heard the story before?
"The volumes feed Lincoln's intellectual hunger did not come cheaply. The story is often recounted of the time he borrowed Parson Weems's Life of George Washington from Josiah Crawford, a well-to-do farmer who lived 16 miles away. Thrilled by this celebrated account of first presidents life, he took the book to his loft at night, where, by the light of a tallow candle, or if tallow was scarce, by a grease lamp made from hickory bark gathered in the woods, he read as long as he could stay awake, placing the book on a makeshift shelf between the cabin logs so he could retrieve it at daybreak. During in a severe rainstorm one night, the book was badly soiled and the covers warped. Lincoln went to Crawford's house, explained what had happened, and offered to work off the value of the book Crawford calculated the value of two full days work pulling corn, which Lincoln considered it unfair reimbursement. Nevertheless, he straightway set to work and kept on until "there was not a corn blade left on stalk."

Team of Rivals: The Political Genius of Abraham Lincoln by Doris Kearns Goodwin, ( New York: Simon & Schuster, 2006), 52.
 
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Another thing that might have worked against Lincoln if he were a candidate today was his occasional bouts with melancholy. Nowadays a candidate has to be upbeat all the time or the media will descend like vultures. And with today's 24/7 media coverage, it would be hard to hide it if such a bout occurred on the campaign trail.
 
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Have you ever heard the story before?
"The volumes feed Lincoln's intellectual hunger did not come cheaply. The story is often recounted of the time he borrowed Parson Weems's Life of George Washington from Josiah Crawford, a well-to-do farmer who lived 16 miles away. Thrilled by this celebrated account of first presidents life, he took the book to his loft at night, where, by the light of a tallow candle, or if tallow was scarce, by a grease lamp made from hickory bark gathered in the woods, he read as long as he could stay awake, placing the book on a makeshift shelf between the cabin logs so he could retrieve it at daybreak. During in a severe rainstorm one night, the book was badly soiled and the covers warped. Lincoln went to Crawford's house, explained what had happened, and offered to work off the value of the book Crawford calculated the value of two full days work pulling corn, which Lincoln considered it unfair reimbursement. Nevertheless, he straightway set to work and kept on until "there was not a corn blade left on stalk."

Team of Rivals: The Political Genius of Abraham Lincoln by Doris Kearns Goodwin, ( New York: Simon & Schuster, 2006), 52.
never heard that story but it doesn't surprise me. the man had integrity--a rare thing these days. not much of it in washington dc either...
 
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If he had the right "machine" behind him, I believe he would have a good chance. In today's political climate, if a major faux pas can be avoided, a good "machine", along with a co-operative media, can elect almost anyone.
 

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