Yangshao / Longshan (ancient Sinitic peoples) and Koreans / Japanese

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Actually I don't really mind that Koreans claim ancient Sinitic monuments, palaces, or even dynasties as your own, cause recent studies indicate that the ancient Sinitic people were more northern-shifted than today's Chinese and were closely related to Koreans. As someone of Southwestern Chinese descent, I don't really feel too much connection to ancient Sinitic dynasties such as Han, Tang, or Ming, but rather I identify more with historical kingdoms and peoples that had existed in Southwest China, such as Baiyue, Baipu, Ba, Shu, Yelang, Dian, Luoyue, Xi'ou, Li, Raeu, Bo, Nanzhao, Dali, etc.
 

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I second that. It is kind of annoying China gets to „claim“ everything.
 
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I second that. It is kind of annoying China gets to „claim“ everything.
 
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if you don`t think you connection to ancient Sinitic dynasties or don`t see ancient Sinitic people as your ancestors then don`t act like you are their descendants that inherit their culture , jeez how low IQ you are to said such shameless word :V your statement is like you as a outsider saying to a stranger that the stranger can have the neighbor family fortune and they can have it whatever they want complely ignore the neighbor family as you act like you are the neighbor family member but infact you just some troll in the neighborhood . get loss troll

both LongShan and Yaoshan culture from was mostly found in Zhangqiu, Shandong. provinces of Henan, Shaanxi and Shanxi. if recent studies show it more northen then it mean both LongShan and Yaoshan had it culture strech as far as the far north china
 
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I second that. It is kind of annoying China gets to „claim“ everything.
it annoying because you don`t know China culture as a whole . if you never finish a book then how do you know the rest of the book end same go with China . ignorant shouldn`t be tolerance
 
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if you don`t think you connection to ancient Sinitic dynasties or don`t see ancient Sinitic people as your ancestors then don`t act like you are their descendants that inherit their culture , jeez how low IQ
This is crude blatant ad hominem. You should be focusing on his argument instead of attacking his person & branding him as a 'low IQ' guy.
 
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it annoying because you don`t know China culture as a whole . if you never finish a book then how do you know the rest of the book end same go with China . ignorant shouldn`t be tolerance
Don‘t be so greedy. Koreans eventually share the same ancestry and descend also from those „ancient sinits“, in fact I am sure a lot of people do. So why does it have to be exclusively Chinese? Just because it is located in China? Because Chinese claim to have 5000 year history and so on? You have to agree those cultures could as well belong to part Korean culture.
 
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if you don`t think you connection to ancient Sinitic dynasties or don`t see ancient Sinitic people as your ancestors then don`t act like you are their descendants that inherit their culture
So basically you also agree that there are indeed so many people in China now, perhaps even collectively forming the majority, who are actually not really of predominantly Sinitic ancestry.

Could be that the true authentic Sinitics are in fact only a nominal majority, or perhaps even a minority if compared to non-Sinitics collectively, in China.
 
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Don‘t be so greedy. Koreans eventually share the same ancestry and descend also from those „ancient sinits“, in fact I am sure a lot of people do. So why does it have to be exclusively Chinese? Just because it is located in China? Because Chinese claim to have 5000 year history and so on? You have to agree those cultures could as well belong to part Korean culture.
never once i said it only exclusively chinese , the problem i have with this kind of agurment is they all try to ripped it off chinese culture which in fact alot of it was developed much later after the ancient chinese and ancient korean split off never the less never said they can`t have that kind of culture
 
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never once i said it only exclusively chinese , the problem i have with this kind of agurment is they all try to ripped it off chinese culture which in fact alot of it was developed much later after the ancient chinese and ancient korean split off never the less never said they can`t have that kind of culture
Then there shouldn‘t be a problem. They can be also called „ancient koreanic“ culture, which in fact is also „ancient sinitic“ culture.
 
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So basically you also agree that there are indeed so many people in China now, perhaps even collectively forming the majority, who are actually not really of predominantly Sinitic ancestry.
as i said it before " ignorant shouldn`t be tolerance " and i`m aint tolerance toward ignorant . second in my reply never agree anything as i use " IF YOU " to be specific to Him alone , and yes " many " Han chinese didn`t had Sinitic ancestry if you only look at paternal lineage but over all in history Han chinese did assimilated / inter married with many group of different ethnicity and the Han chinese population was always 10 time bigger then the assimilated one . so believe what you belive
 
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It is useless to talk about something Chinese. According to Chinese people, Chinese culture covers every culture and everything. Then, why do we need to tell Chinese from others? Chinese people need to discuss history with themselves only.
 
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like i said believe what you believe , ignorant is a curse and all i want to do is not being biased
Just because someone somehow finds it tough to believe that population of true Han is 10 times bigger than that of non-Han, then automatically that makes him 'ignorant'?
 
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Just because someone somehow finds it tough to believe that population of true Han is 10 times bigger than that of non-Han, then automatically that makes him 'ignorant'?
the term " ignorant " mean lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated. judge it yourself
 
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the term " ignorant " mean lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated. judge it yourself
Aah, so it's essentially a kind of ad hominem then, which you seem to like to just throw liberally at someone & anyone who happens to hold a view different to yours.

While personally assuming, whether rightly otherwise, that you're the only side who's 'supremely aware', 'supremely knowledgeable', 'supremely educated' and/or 'supremely sophisticated'.

First it was 'low IQ'. Now you've toned it down a bit to 'ignorant'. Wow. Vast progress, dude. Congratulations.
 
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Then there shouldn‘t be a problem. They can be also called „ancient koreanic“ culture, which in fact is also „ancient sinitic“ culture.
that not my point , the problem is in the " RIP OFF " part as korean or whatever asian culture try to rip off the culture from china and claim it their original not chinese not about they may and maybe had a share ancestors
 
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There are many other aspects which can make one the inheritors of certain cultures. People shouldn‘t focus solely on „relatedness“. Just saying.
 
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Aah, so it's essentially a kind of ad hominem then, which you seem to like to just throw liberally at someone & anyone who happens to hold a view different to yours.

While personally assuming, whether rightly otherwise, that you're the only side who's 'supremely aware', 'supremely knowledgeable', 'supremely educated' and/or 'supremely sophisticated'.

First it was 'low IQ'. Now you've toned it down a bit to 'ignorant'. Wow. Vast progress, dude. Congratulations.
hummm alot of assuming here

let me be clear the " Low IQ " i said to the other dude for being shameless in his statement when i use 'ignorant" to explain the circumstance i hate to deal with to ANOTHER PERSON and YOU , in this case both term are not use to the same person with the same conversation THAT you conveniently GROUP it together for you to ASSUME me toned it down OR " you're the only side who's 'supremely aware', 'supremely knowledgeable', 'supremely educated' and/or 'supremely sophisticated'."

there are also a different between saying someone ignorant to a certain thing and side with someone who supremely aware etc etc . it like from 10 go straight to 100 for no reason rather then assume . Vast assumeing indeed
 

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